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I have hundreds and hundreds of GIFs. Having to open internet explorer, or any other browser for that matter, is far more resource intensive than including this feature in the photo preview application.

M$'s own logic is false, and to this day I do not see any valid reason to remove it. In fact, one of the core ideas behinds windows anything is that they build upon features, not remove them. The reason being that this introduces far less conflicts down the road, if certain features are always there, it helps with compatibility at the expense of complexity and the size of the OS on disk.
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Oh please, it works fine in Windows XP, and in that FAQ (from Windows Vista) they mention that only still a few people had photos in GIF format, hence the limited implementation.

How much are you willing to go to defend Microsoft ? They obviously aren't in touch with reality and why the GIF format is still popular to this day. That is what I said, and interestingly you didin't have a thing to say about that, which is the essence of the question.

I didn't make up any facts.

Windows XP's Photo Gallery can view animated GIFs: FACT.

Windows Vista's and onwards can't: FACT

The GIF file format is popular to this day not because people store their new pictures in 256 colors, but because of animated GIFs: FACT.

And Microsoft has failed to understand how inconvenient it is to have to open IE to view those and actually misleads users when viewing a gallery with still photos and animated GIFs to think that the animated GIFs aren't animated at all.

Even if you want to read more into their first sentence and claim that they are making a formal approach and implying that animated GIFs are not really photos, their approach to supporting the format in a practical way is still backwards like I said. But feel free to not address that part of the question.

Very valid points.

Not fully supporting .gif is asinine.
 
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Very valid points.

Not fully supporting .gif is asinine.

I haven't opened a .gif in anything but a browser in...years. Does it seriously matter? A window is a window.

Though if you come from just a regular picture file stand point...the new picture viewer is horrible for what it can open. I actually had to go read documentation on how to close a window without killing the exe...drag the picture away...dumbest thing ever.
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I haven't opened a .gif in anything but a browser in...years. Does it seriously matter? A window is a window.

I suppose it doesn't really matter, but it's a stupid oversight.
 
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I haven't opened a .gif in anything but a browser in...years. Does it seriously matter? A window is a window.

Though if you come from just a regular picture file stand point...the new picture viewer is horrible for what it can open. I actually had to go read documentation on how to close a window without killing the exe...drag the picture away...dumbest thing ever.
It does matter because IE is the default and it takes up resources beyond the standard viewer.

If you are rifling through images using the viewer, you need to know specifically that the image you are looking at is a GIF in order to make the decision to open and view it. This is extra steps that you shouldn't have to take.

What if you have a gif set to open by default in another program? Well now in order to view it you have to right click, select "open with" find the browser you want to use... wait for it to open....

Or, microsoft could just not have removed a perfectly functional feature for precisely no valid reason, and you could just right click -> Preview. Voila.


Until they come up with a technical reason as to why this feature was removed, it is no more sensible a choice than an auto manufacturer deciding to omit spare tires from their cars, and then citing the reason being that old ladies just call a tow truck.

Great, it applies to a small portion of your customers... but most of us still use spare tires and view GIFs.

And it is not an oversight, it was an active decision to remove a useful feature.
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Quote:
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It does matter because IE is the default and it takes up resources beyond the standard viewer.

If you are rifling through images using the viewer, you need to know specifically that the image you are looking at is a GIF in order to make the decision to open and view it. This is extra steps that you shouldn't have to take.

What if you have a gif set to open by default in another program? Well now in order to view it you have to right click, select "open with" find the browser you want to use... wait for it to open....

Or, microsoft could just not have removed a perfectly functional feature for precisely no valid reason, and you could just right click -> Preview. Voila.


Until they come up with a technical reason as to why this feature was removed, it is no more sensible a choice than an auto manufacturer deciding to omit spare tires from their cars, and then citing the reason being that old ladies just call a tow truck.

Great, it applies to a small portion of your customers... but most of us still use spare tires and view GIFs.

And it is not an oversight, it was an active decision to remove a useful feature.

Well, it is just that you have to all the way back to XP to find a version of Windows that has a built in picture viewer that is capable of opening .gif files. So it is far too late to complain about it now. People should have been on their horses about it when it happened in Vista...or when they didn't add it back in Windows 7. You are picking now to complain about it?

And you are trying to talk resources? If the machine is capable of getting past the Windows 8 loading screen then it has all the resources it would need to open fifty browser windows (or tabs...which is nice for viewing .gifs or even pictures actually) for all the .gif viewing you could want to do.
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People have been complaining about it since day one of Vista, and microsoft has been actively ignoring all of the complaints.

Even my 3770K takes a minute to load up IE, because IE is a POS example of software that insists on making an update check (which gives you a dialog box if you aren't on the latest version), and even loading whatever home page you have set takes a minute. It takes time and additional resources.

And for that matter it isn't about the additional resources it uses, the point is microsoft tried to argue the point stating that viewing GIFs in the viewer uses additional resources, but loading a browser uses far more. All they have done was make their imagined problem worse in reality, inconvenience a large amount of users, and go out of their way to remove a feature which is actually needed.

It is inefficient, not user friendly, and for anyone who actually deals with the GIFs, it is a downright problem.
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Just an update:

The default Photos Metro app is capable of viewing animated GIFs. The desktop version not being able to is just complete doh.gif
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People have been complaining about it since day one of Vista, and microsoft has been actively ignoring all of the complaints.

Even my 3770K takes a minute to load up IE, because IE is a POS example of software that insists on making an update check (which gives you a dialog box if you aren't on the latest version), and even loading whatever home page you have set takes a minute. It takes time and additional resources.

And for that matter it isn't about the additional resources it uses, the point is microsoft tried to argue the point stating that viewing GIFs in the viewer uses additional resources, but loading a browser uses far more. All they have done was make their imagined problem worse in reality, inconvenience a large amount of users, and go out of their way to remove a feature which is actually needed.

It is inefficient, not user friendly, and for anyone who actually deals with the GIFs, it is a downright problem.

IE 10 on Windows 8 loads in less than 5 seconds for me, with Bing as the home page.
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People have been complaining about it since day one of Vista, and microsoft has been actively ignoring all of the complaints.

Even my 3770K takes a minute to load up IE, because IE is a POS example of software that insists on making an update check (which gives you a dialog box if you aren't on the latest version), and even loading whatever home page you have set takes a minute. It takes time and additional resources.

And for that matter it isn't about the additional resources it uses, the point is microsoft tried to argue the point stating that viewing GIFs in the viewer uses additional resources, but loading a browser uses far more. All they have done was make their imagined problem worse in reality, inconvenience a large amount of users, and go out of their way to remove a feature which is actually needed.

It is inefficient, not user friendly, and for anyone who actually deals with the GIFs, it is a downright problem.

My .gifs open in what ever browser I set as my default browser...which is Firefox at the moment...though I actually like IE 9 better, but I have some plugs for work reason that makes me use Firefox.

However, I don't care if you are running on IE6...no browser of any kind should take more than a couple seconds at the most to launch. My firefox windows open .gifs faster than I can time them. Your system has some serious issues if you are seeing that.
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Just an update:

The default Photos Metro app is capable of viewing animated GIFs. The desktop version not being able to is just complete doh.gif
IE 10 on Windows 8 loads in less than 5 seconds for me, with Bing as the home page.
That is 5 seconds too many if I already have the photo viewer open and am flipping through my image folder.

There is no argument for why this shouldn't be a feature. It always has been, and they went out of their way to remove it. They gave themselves extra work to take away something which had no reason to be removed.
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