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Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post

Let's see, first it's click, click, click and I'm in....


Now it's click, type, type, type type, and sometimes type.

Oh wow, now it takes me more effort than the start menu...

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Or, you know, you could just pin those apps to the start screen...
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People who say windows 8 is so awesome, just look to the chart. VISTA has more users than it.. and vista was TERRIBLE. Now im sure 8 is much better than Vista, but lets just be real and agree that Windows 8 was a complete FLOP.
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I've been using Vista for almost 7 years and I haven't had any issues.

Using all my RAM is problematic since I only get 2 gigs out of 8. But I'm sure there'll be a patch to fix that soon enough.
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Originally Posted by Born For TDM View Post

People who say windows 8 is so awesome, just look to the chart. VISTA has more users than it.. and vista was TERRIBLE. Now im sure 8 is much better than Vista, but lets just be real and agree that Windows 8 was a complete FLOP.

Vista was fine. It was OEMs who screwed it up.
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Like I said, I'm not quite buying your "I'm probably 10x more of a power user than you are" line if typing more than three letters is so much effort for you. Most power users (or even people who just use computers a lot) can hit three/four keys on a keyboard faster than they can click a mouse button three/four times while also having to move the mouse around to navigate menus between each click.

Also, I'm quite sure that 99% of what you do being mouse based isn't representative of every productivity based user of computers.

Windows 8 is not a mess for productivity, unless every single type of productivity involves nothing but launching programs from a start menu, which is obviously not the case.

For your particular type of productivity, maybe you have a point.

For people who simply need to click on a pinned taskbar icon to open up excel/word/ps/proprietary programs/whatever, productivity is almost exactly the same during actual work within those programs.

35 years in IT.

5 years as a management consultant in IT (CIO and CEO level only).

I know what I'm talking about No business is ever going to consider Win 8 as is.
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with sales reaching record lows last few years (or at least not matching the market share of the past not even by a long-shot).

Nope, sales had plateaued and were staying even until Windows 8 was announced (Normal, not as many people buy PCs, etc when they know Windows is going to get a new release soon) and then started falling once Metro became a thing.
Not going to bother finding sales statistics for every quarter for the last 3 years and link it, but if you want to do the research you can. (For reference, sales in Q1 2012 were up 21% over Q1 2011...Not much of a slump)
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I tried Windows 8 when i installed it onto my friends pc when i rebuilt it, and Ive gotta say its not bad at all. A slight learning curve dealing with metro and moving the cursor to the right of the screen instead of to the bottom left (or where ever one has their start button). however that shouldnt be an actual issue since you always have the windows key (unless your using the tt esports meka keyboard like me)

There were lots of nice features that could be easy to adapt to (i only used it for about 1 hour). But honestly Ubuntu is harder to adapt to and its pretty easy after you use it for about 3 days (4-5hours per day)

Oh, it's not difficult to adapt to...But what benefits do you get from adapting to it?
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Really, the problem with Windows 8 is that it released relatively quickly after Windows 7. If 7 and 8 were switched (where 8 came after Vista, and 7 just this year), then I think it would be different. Everyone seems to love 7 so much that any change that W8 made away from W7 was met with over-reaction, and ultimately hurt sales (a lot).

Seriously guys, if you think about it, if W8 was the successor to Vista, it would be doing a lot better. Vista isn't nearly as bad as everyone thinks it is, it just had a rocky launch that left a permanent impression in everyone's minds that they couldn't overcome. And it's looking like it may be the same result with 8 - too much negative attention too early. W8 is doomed just from early word-of-mouth, regardless of any improvements they make.

Definitely not, 7 still could have gone either way up until release...If MS had put Metro onto us then without the option to have the old start menu people still wouldn't buy it because for most of us, there's no benefit to spending our time to adjust...Hell, I've got 8 as my main OS on laptop and desktop and the only benefit I get is the Win+X shortcut, separate start menu on each screen and ClassicShell having more customizability than the Windows 7 start menu. That's literally it, if I hadn't gotten this copy for free I'd feel ripped off even with the $15 version.
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Anyways... this thread is amusing... Windows 8 went up in marketshare and still being called a failure...

Lets see:
1) Vista was definitely a failure for MS, hence why 7 (Virtually Vista SP3) came out as it did.
2) Windows 8, despite having a much larger potential market (Tablets) than Vista and 7 is still barely under Vista's sales.
3) Windows 8s sales have slowed down quite a bit since MS stopped selling it for $15/$40.
4) Windows 8s sales are way below where 7 was at the same time.
5) Windows Phone (ie. The thing they were trying to prop up with Windows 8) has usage share that is, at best, relatively equal to Linux on the desktop.

Yep, it's a failure.
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The PC market in general is down. Not just Windows 8. If it was just Windows 8, XP usage wouldn't still be so high. People just aren't buying PCs.

Strangely enough, the last growth of the market was Q1 2012...Q2 was right before the new OS launch and sales always go down there (Did for virtually every other major Windows release) but the slump continued for Q3, Q4, etc...So yeah, that slump seems to only have started when Windows 8 came out, big coincidence, eh? rolleyes.gif
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The majority of you should be used to the trolls by now. Haters gonna hate.

I personally find that Windows 8 gives me the nicest OS experience yet. I was not sold on the idea of it upon my initial usage, but as time passed I got the hang of things...I can guarantee I am more productive with business processes when doing work related stuff. Additionally, everything is responsive and not sluggish. I have yet to experience a major crash/freeze. Windows 8 is definitely Microsoft's nicest OS yet (though Windows 7 is very close).

See, the thing is GUIs are subjective...Have Metro! Just give me the option to have a normal start menu because I am certainly not more productive with Metro than I am with ClassicShell.
Not sure how Windows 8 is more responsive than 7 either, maybe if you're running on an Atom N270 or something but otherwise what little differences there are shouldn't be even close to noticeable on any rig this side of decent, especially if you have an SSD.
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In all fairness, Windows 8 is not that old. Most people are still using their computers from 7 years ago, if not longer. Just because a new OS comes out doesn't mean people go out and buy a new computer.

People buy a new computer when their old one craps out. In about a year Windows 8 will gain some ground because people are upgrading their computers. We still are getting XP machines coming into our office for fixing.

Yet, sales only started decreasing once 8 actually came out...and 7 is gaining nearly as much as 8 is in the exact same environment while not also having the tablet market to boost sales.

And no, it doesn't...but a lot of people who bought Pentium 4s back in the early to mid 2000s? Those PCs have been dying off slowly for a few years now, and the Core 2 Duos are beginning to as well...You also still have a tonne of people who don't have desktops, people seem to not realize that sales had plateaued and not dropped until 8 came out.
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Originally Posted by Raven Dizzle View Post

This is OCN. Logic hath not exist in these parts, unfortunately.

You mean like everyone who is pointing out that sales are in a slump, but ignoring the fact that the slump only actually started dropping sales once 8 came out? Hell, as of Q1 2012 sales were up 21% (!!!) over Q1 2011. Yep, big slump pre-8 release, eh? thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Trooge View Post

Lol, people bashing on an OS that they have never used, how typical.
Windows 8 is awesome.

I dislike 8 as a whole, it's not worth the effort of relearning aspects of basic PC use because there is absolutely no benefit from doing so, I can also say wholeheartedly that MS crapped the bed on this one. I must be using 7, right?

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Oh wait... rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Or, you know, you could just pin those apps to the start screen...

Which is still more cluttered than pinning them to the start menu in my experience. I spent a full day organising my little-used Start Screen and then used it without touching ClassicShell for a week..and was still slower even once I learnt where everything was.
    
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People who say windows 8 is so awesome, just look to the chart. VISTA has more users than it.. and vista was TERRIBLE. Now im sure 8 is much better than Vista, but lets just be real and agree that Windows 8 was a complete FLOP.

Win 8 is outstanding from a performance standpoint.

Win 8 sucks from a UI standpoint and the UI is where all the cost is in the Enterprise.

You, me and just about any gamer can get by just fine with the UI for gaming, and if left with no other choice for gaming, meh, I'll adapt.

Microsoft has opened itself up for a major migration away from Windows in the Enterprise if they keep things as is with Win 8 because businesses will examine all options if they must train their staff on a new interface in order to keep up with support requirements.
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Well that what happens when Microsoft refuses to listen to customers and instead trying to force customers into using their design, nobody likes it, and as a result, they see a loss of profit and market share. Serves them right.

Maybe they will get it right with their next version of Windows.
    
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I'm not someone who embraces change simply for the sake of change. There has to be something more, and it usually comes down to necessity for me.

I moved from XP x64 on my primary systems when I started to need more than DX9 for what I wanted and when that need outweighed the cost (monetary and time/effort to reconfigure everything and become more acclimated to a newer OS). I did not really want to make the change, or really like the change, but the benefits outweighed the cost. XP x64 isn't really any slower, and the UI is still just as usable.

This isn't the case yet with any current or foreseeable successor to Windows 7 or Server 2008 R2. The changes from XP x64 to 7 or Server 2008 were significantly larger than from 7 to 8, and they were barely enough to get me to upgrade. I've got a few Windows 8 systems, because I need to have some familiarity with the OS do to what I do, but I can't imagine putting it on the systems I need to use more often yet. The changes are, overall, quite trivial, and I personally dislike the UI.

Until there is some significant performance or usability advantage with a new version of Windows, or until Windows 7/2008 R2 can no longer run the programs I need to run, that necessity just isn't there.
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Until there is some significant performance or usability advantage with a new version of Windows, or until Windows 7/2008 R2 can no longer run the programs I need to run, that necessity just isn't there.

I'm the first to admit, there are gains to performance in Win 8, but those gains are more than offset by the cost of retraining for the UI,

Windows made its bones on the Enterprise. Microsoft will lose hugely in the Enterprise if it continues down this road. Take it from a 35 year IT professional and IT consultant to CIOs and CEOs, there is no compelling reason to even consider Win 8. With the major UI changes, it opens up the enterprise EUC space to multiple options, unless MS listens to its biggest customers.IP based lawsuits, much like some prior competitors were forced into.

My best guess? MS will relent and in Win 8.2 allow the Metro interface to be completely hidden with a simple solution.

Most Enterprises are only now migrating to Win7 from XP. The vast majority of my clients have already done this or are wrapping it up. Many have engaged the company I work for to aid in the completion of this transformation. None will consider Win 8 until the UI require almost no training. All are still reeling from the retraining efforts and costs over the Ribbon in Office.
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