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I'm sorry but my understanding of this is that they don't get warrants because warrants have the reasons behind them and would ultimately be known to the public. And I'm sorry but if I have to give up a little privacy to potentially help stop something like the bombing in Boston I am all for it (which is the point of these types of things). This whole thing is a giant double edge sword but at the end of the day if this helps them better protect me and its not being abused horrible (as in people get arrested for downloading a song) I am okay with it.
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Oh this thread is hilarious. It's not like there haven't been or rumored to be backdoors into other widely used tech companies stuff. This isn't anything unexpected. It's just sad that the government is now really going full force under the guise of protecting you to do what it wants.

http://community.skype.com/t5/Security-Privacy-Trust-and/FBI-tapping-skype-calls/td-p/457903

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/fbi-surveillance-backdoor-might-be-open-hackers-947887

http://memeburn.com/2011/07/microsoft-and-skype-set-to-allow-backdoor-eavesdropping/


As for the OT topic of revolution against "those wealthy rich people"...yeah, that worked out well in history didn't it? Dystopia is more likely than Utopia because people love misery. Considering that the poor in the US are better off than 50-60% of the world and most of the wealthy in other countries...maybe we should think about why that isn't seen as a big problem. Also, when being poor means you get a "free" cell phone with 250minutes and 1000 texts; there's something wrong. Although, it might relate to the actual main topic of the government wanting spy on everyone.

If you think this is true, you're misinformed on US poverty.
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If you think this is true, you're misinformed on US poverty.

He is right in the fact that what we deem to be poor in this country would not be considered poor in a lot of other countries, specifically emerging market countries. I'm not going to speak for the more developed countries in Europe as I don't know much about their poverty.

23,283 (From us census) USD which is considered the poverty line for a household of 4 could be very well off in a lot of other foreign countries.

His other points I wont touch though.
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Unfortunately people care more about their standard of living (wealth class and social class) than they do about inalienable rights that are supposed to be protected. The job of our government is to protect these rights, not our standard of living or our wealth etc. We have a right to life, no one shall comit murder. We dont have a right to a car or an iPhone etc, these are privileges that no one is owed. But when people care more about their "quality of life" than life and liberty itself, all sorts of rights will be violated. Dont see it getting much better from here.
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you guys are way way off, who the government official are ? simply they are people WORKING FOR YOU to improve your way of life, help you run your resources and represent you in matters you cant be part of.
now think about that who is the government ? people stealing your right ? imprison you ? read below and think about it.
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General Aladeen: Why are you guys so anti-dictators? Imagine if America was a dictatorship. You could let 1% of the people have all the nation's wealth. You could help your rich friends get richer by cutting their taxes. And bailing them out when they gamble and lose. You could ignore the needs of the poor for health care and education. Your media would appear free, but would secretly be controlled by one person and his family. You could wiretap phones. You could torture foreign prisoners. You could have rigged elections. You could lie about why you go to war. You could fill your prisons with one particular racial group, and no one would complain. You could use the media to scare the people into supporting policies that are against their interests.
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you guys are way way off, who the government official are ? simply they are people WORKING FOR YOU to improve your way of life, help you run your resources and represent you in matters you cant be part of.
now think about that who is the government ? people stealing your right ? imprison you ? read below and think about it.

not sure where you're going with that quote but it's a satire on what's happening in the US.

it's very naive to think the government (at least in the US) is working for the everyday man's best interests. Corruption, much?

unless that entire post was sarcasm.
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Try typing "Japan Copy King" and you can't find any results on Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc.

I was trying to find information about how countries imitate their neighbors and allies throughout history and the copy culture is nothing new.

Bottom line is, when there are certain interests at stake everything is fair game, doesn't matter what country you're in.
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I'm sorry but my understanding of this is that they don't get warrants because warrants have the reasons behind them and would ultimately be known to the public. And I'm sorry but if I have to give up a little privacy to potentially help stop something like the bombing in Boston I am all for it (which is the point of these types of things). This whole thing is a giant double edge sword but at the end of the day if this helps them better protect me and its not being abused horrible (as in people get arrested for downloading a song) I am okay with it.

But giving up your privacy will not prevent the next Boston bombing. That's the problem. Giving up your privacy only results in the loss of your privacy.
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But giving up your privacy will not prevent the next Boston bombing. That's the problem. Giving up your privacy only results in the loss of your privacy.

+1.

And it DIDN'T prevent it. That's the misconception that people have. It will not keep, and never has kept, anyone safe. One must be smarter than the lame fallacies being fed to us. Ben Franklin quote I believe? Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither. He knew what he was saying when he said it!
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problem, reaction,solution.



They are all gathered. the big corps, royalty and government at the uk summit today.. the web of control is being sewn together and agreed for the regulations that we will see in the next 5 years to come. No company is your friend, no government has your interests at heart. One day, when everyone is so cow brained from tv. the internet, (endless upgrades rolleyes.gif) they will subtlety shift the goalposts and you will be in a whole new world.. thats if anyone can afford a tv or to live in a house
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