Originally Posted by zooterboy
And it DIDN'T prevent it. That's the misconception that people have. It will not keep, and never has kept, anyone safe. One must be smarter than the lame fallacies being fed to us. Ben Franklin quote I believe? Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither. He knew what he was saying when he said it!
Exactly this. The government LOVES to beat their drum about how these intrusive surveillance methods have stopped countless "terrorist attacks", yet never provides tangible details of such. Because of national security, right? Please. Terrorism has existed for as long as man has roamed the Earth, but all of the sudden after 9/11 it becomes this shadowy, goliath of a threat to our "way of life?" Plenty of times the US has used false pretenses of terrorism to justify its own ambitions; look up the Spanish-American War, or ANY of the numerous Native American genocides, WHOOPS, I meant wars. Why didn't the WTC bombing in '93 or the OKC bombing create this groundswell that led to the formation of the DHS? Surely terrorism was just as much a clear and present danger then, as it was on 9/11, no? As the Boston bombings, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook shootings clearly illustrate, bad people can and will do bad things, especially if they try hard enough, and no amount of surveillance can stop this fact. Terrorism is crime, and over thousands and thousands of years, homo sapiens have failed miserably in solving the riddle of stopping crime. If nothing else, the revelations of the past week have confirmed that we live, on a daily basis, with a modern day Gestapo. True, people aren't randomly disappearing, and we don't have labor camps, but the concept of privacy has been rendered a complete farce. I always was cognizant of the fact that they had the capabilities to surveil in the ways that they do, but I was surprised by the scope. The NSA is just hoovering any and all electronic information it can find, and storing it. We are literally headed towards a "Minority Report" type event horizon.
I for one would rather be as close to free as possible in an acceptably dangerous world, rather than have my privacy imprisoned in a fractionally more safer world. So God Bless Edward Snowden. I hope he gets to live out his life in Hong Kong or Iceland, or wherever he wishes to go. I hope the US never succeeds in extraditing him, and I hope the system that he revealed is at the very least severely curtailed, if not completely destroyed.Edited by btupsx - 6/9/13 at 9:41pm