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Hi all,

Feel free to call me out on this, as I'm going to admit straight-out that I'm no-where near highly intelligible as to what I'm talking about, I'm just going by personal experience, and other reviews and such I've seen on the internet.

Anyways, to get to the point. It seems that Intel chipsets do much better with SLI (much better scaling, more performance per card) than AMD. But single-card is about the same. But I'm one to love the high level graphics, but don't want to pay the premium of a TITAN ($1000!). So I have two 660TI's, which give me around equivalent performance for $400 cheaper (got them on sale smile.gif. And maybe in a year or so I'll grab two 860TI's, when and if those ever come out.

Regardless of this fact, I'm considering switching over to Haswell to pump up my performance a bit. I have a friend willing to buy my FX-8350 and Crosshair V Formula-Z for $325, and I paid about $500. So a net loss of about $175ish, not too shabby in my eyes for getting rid of old parts. So then from what I've seen, an i5 4670K is about $230 + tax, so about $250 for argument's sake. And I'm probably an extreme idiot for grabbing a Crosshair V Formula-Z to be honest, I don't really overclock and it's like a top end board.

Thing is, I've just always been under the impression that pricier is better, you get what you pay for. Regardless of whether you OC or not, a better board will give you better stability, better performance, and better sound quality (I don't know crap-all about sound, but apparently a better motherboard has a better integrated sound card and will give you better sound quality). I use a set of T-10 Creative Inspire 2.0 speakers for sound, or my Corsair Vengeance 2000. So no like $1000 sound system or anything, not even sure if a "lower quality" sound card would even make a marginal difference in my situation.

And would a lower end board really have "worse" stability? And perform "not as well" for my situation? All I really do is game, watch movies, livestream once in a while, and surf the web and do word processing. No big adobe after effects and photoshop and stuff. And if I ever OC, it's never anything too huge, like no more than 200-300MHz. So would the lowest end motherboard vs the highest end even make a difference? Because if not, I could probably just grab one of the cheapest ones for about $75 or so, and pretty much cut my losses.

And in my eyes, if I get a decent performance boost for SLI scaling, and memory (apparently AMD's memory controller is poop too) for years to come, a $175 net loss isn't too bad. And to be honest, I'm really liking ASUS' gold theme going on with the new Haswell Motherboards.

And lastly, does anyone know if my current CPU heat sink (Hyper 212) would be compatible with Haswell? It's not the end of the world if it isn't, only about $20-$30 for a new aftermarket cooler. And I could wait a bit to get off the stock cooler.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read all of this (if you did tongue.gif), and I look forward to seeing your advice/responses! Thanks!
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If you want to overclock an i5-4670K, you'll need a Z87-chipset motherboard. You don't need an overkill $300 mobo to get good-quality OCing on Intel, BTW. You said you liked ASUS' gold theme, so you ought to look at their Z87-PLUS, Z87-PRO, and/or Z87-DELUXE boards.

The Hyper 212 should be compatible with Haswell, as sockets 1156/1155/1150 have the same cooler setup and spacing.
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If you want to overclock an i5-4670K, you'll need a Z87-chipset motherboard. You don't need an overkill $300 mobo to get good-quality OCing on Intel, BTW. You said you liked ASUS' gold theme, so you ought to look at their Z87-PLUS, Z87-PRO, and/or Z87-DELUXE boards.

The Hyper 212 should be compatible with Haswell, as sockets 1156/1155/1150 have the same cooler setup and spacing.

Ok, thank you smile.gif But in regard to my other questions, should all my performance, stability, sound etc. etc. be the same with a low end motherboard? I'm willing to give up my minimal OC (probably only a 2-3% performance increase anyways) to save money on a lower end board that will perform the same otherwise. Thanks!
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Ok, thank you smile.gif But in regard to my other questions, should all my performance, stability, sound etc. etc. be the same with a low end motherboard? I'm willing to give up my minimal OC (probably only a 2-3% performance increase anyways) to save money on a lower end board that will perform the same otherwise. Thanks!

Performance and stability should be identical (except at the very highest overclocks) with a low/mid motherboard. Since you said you'd only ever OC at most 200-300MHz (i.e. 2-3 "bins"), that's not a worry at all.

Regarding sound quality, since most motherboards have Realtek integrated sound you should pick the one with the highest number. For example, ALC898 > ALC892 > ALC887.
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Performance will be the same. OC stability depends. Haswell has lots of changes in the way OC is done. Maybe higher tier boards will OC the base clock better. With Ivy Bridge you could most of the time get the same clocks stable on mid range board like with higher tier board. In fact most high end boards were using the same VRM components as low tier boards... Things might be different this time around, but it doesn't look they will.

As far as audio, I don't think they'll be huge difference for your audio setup... In any case sound cards are cheap enough.
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Performance and stability should be identical (except at the very highest overclocks) with a low/mid motherboard. Since you said you'd only ever OC at most 200-300MHz (i.e. 2-3 "bins"), that's not a worry at all.

Regarding sound quality, since most motherboards have Realtek integrated sound you should pick the one with the highest number. For example, ALC898 > ALC892 > ALC887.

Ah ok, that's good. So really there's no point in me going for some overkill board.. And also, don't all boards of the same model have the same integrated sound?

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Performance will be the same. OC stability depends. Haswell has lots of changes in the way OC is done. Maybe higher tier boards will OC the base clock better. With Ivy Bridge you could most of the time get the same clocks stable on mid range board like with higher tier board. In fact most high end boards were using the same VRM components as low tier boards... Things might be different this time around, but it doesn't look they will.

As far as audio, I don't think they'll be huge difference for your audio setup... In any case sound cards are cheap enough.

Ah ok, I don't mind giving up my OC. I just did it for the sake of doing it tongue.gif And ok, that's good then for my audio. Guess I'm pretty much set then on being able to grab one of the cheapest boards out there? And if for whatever reason, I find that my sound is crap or something for whatever reason, do you have a recommendation on a decent and cheap sound card by chance? Thanks!
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If you want something cheap, people seem to like Asus Xonar DGX. And don't pick up something cheap rolleyes.gif. Find that sweet spot. Currently I think it's among Asus Z87-A vs Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H vs ASRock Z77 Extreme4 vs MSI Z87-G45.
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If you want something cheap, people seem to like Asus Xonar DGX. And don't pick up something cheap rolleyes.gif. Find that sweet spot. Currently I think it's among Asus Z87-A vs Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H vs ASRock Z77 Extreme4 vs MSI Z87-G45.

Hm, well I found the Z87-A on Newegg, looks pretty good. Same with the 4670K.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131981 -Motherboard

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899 -CPU

Not a bad combo, I think at least.

And I guess this means I can overclock my RAM?

EDIT: Just realized, I have 3 drives and it only comes with 2 SATA cables.. But I could just buy another set off the ASUS website, right? They should be compatible?
http://us.estore.asus.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2010
Edited by Yagman5000 - 6/2/13 at 3:33pm
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Well you can just grab the sata cables from newegg and get them in the same package.
http://www.newegg.ca/SATA-eSATA-Cables/SubCategory/ID-2834?Tid=16882&cm_sp=Cables197-_-VisNav-_-SATA%20%2f%20eSATA%20Cables
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Also atm I would rank the Asus one the worst of the 4.
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