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Samsung 840 pro - secure erase

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I've been having a little nightmare with my 840 pro. All was working well with Windows 8 on my gigabyte x79 (not overclocked) until I tried a piece of software that ended up messing my Win8 install. I tried to repair it, but it refused telling me that my ssd was frozen. Played with 1st install of Samsung Magician and unplugging and replugging the power to the SSD didn't work. The ssd is connected to the intel sata connector.

Got partedmagic and was able to do a secure erase. I booted with the Win8 dvd and tried to reinstall but kept getting the "couldn't create a new partition or locate one. So back into Win7 (on a separate drive - same computer) and checked the ssd with Sammys Magician - drive reported as frozen. After several attempts, gave up and decided to install all intel software again - whether on not I already had the most recent installed. Reinstalled Magician - and this time - with unplugging and replugging the power - it did a secure erase.

To cut to the problem. Magician says "Secure Erase Complete 'Refresh' is recommended" My problem is WHAT DOES REFRESH mean at the point - I know reboot doesn't work - same problem trying to install win8. I've already wasted a weekend trying to solve this


So my question is - what does Refresh (after Secure Erase) mean???? I don't know what they mean


All help would be appreciated.
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The only use of the term "Refresh" I'm aware of is with Windows 8, where you choose the Refresh option, and it removes all drivers, software, and files to the point the OS is in a freshly installed state. A nice feature to start over without another installation.

It almost sounds like the secure erase detected you tried to install Windows 8, but how can you perform a Windows 8 Refresh on a SSD that was secure erased? You can't, it is blank.

You said that SSD was on another Windows 7 PC. If you start Disk Management with that SSD connected, what happens? Does it ask you to Initialize and format the SSD? It should if the SSD was secure erased, since it is just raw storage at that point. If that does not happen, and you can see partitions on the SSD, it was not secure erased.

Perhaps Samsung, in a bad translation, means Refresh is Initialize and format the SSD. That is the only thing that makes sense IMO. I would suggest doing that if you are having problems installing Windows 8 on it, although that should not be necessary.

I hate to throw in more potential confusion, but are you planning on doing a standard Windows installation, or for lack of a better term, a UEFI booting installation, if you are familiar with that? If so, the SSD must be formatted as GPT.

Be certain to ONLY have the target drive (your SSD) connected to the PC when you install Windows 8, otherwise you'll have issues later.

Otherwise, Refresh means nothing to me. Running the Magician SSD Optimizer after a Secure Erase is really worthless and serves no purpose.
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Thanks for the reply - the error message I wa getting was sort of a red herring - after wasting several days, I finally hit a site that mentioned that win8 is limited to 4 drives - I had 5 installed (2 ssd - one win7, one for win8, a data disk a backup hard drive and a test raid drive set) After I unplugged the power for all the drives except for the 2 ssd's, the install worked fine. My win8 was an update so the win7 drive had to be present (damhik).

Unfortunately I just got back to reading this and I've already reinstalled Win8 - so here's the question - I'm confused about formatting the drive as a GPT (I used MBR - as default) and I do have a UEFI BIOS (AHCI). Is there a problem that I should be expecting because of MBR vs GPT. When I had it working previously it was also set to MBR.

And I agree, Magician is useless and confusing - I used Parted Magic for the secure erase (which I'm not sure I really needed anyway)

Thanks for the help
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Originally Posted by grumpygeologist View Post

Thanks for the reply - the error message I wa getting was sort of a red herring - after wasting several days, I finally hit a site that mentioned that win8 is limited to 4 drives - I had 5 installed (2 ssd - one win7, one for win8, a data disk a backup hard drive and a test raid drive set) After I unplugged the power for all the drives except for the 2 ssd's, the install worked fine. My win8 was an update so the win7 drive had to be present (damhik).

Unfortunately I just got back to reading this and I've already reinstalled Win8 - so here's the question - I'm confused about formatting the drive as a GPT (I used MBR - as default) and I do have a UEFI BIOS (AHCI). Is there a problem that I should be expecting because of MBR vs GPT. When I had it working previously it was also set to MBR.

And I agree, Magician is useless and confusing - I used Parted Magic for the secure erase (which I'm not sure I really needed anyway)

Thanks for the help

Windows 8 limited to four drives... that is utter nonsense!

Limited in what way? During an OS installation? Why am I asking this, it's simply false! I've had six drives on Windows 8 PCs many times, and still do.

OMG, I think I see what was actually meant by the "four drives" thing you mentioned, that's funny, ironic really. Now I see why you interpreted my statement incorrectly...

And I NEVER said the Magician software was "useless and confusing", and I don't think that it is either of those things.

I did write this: Running the Magician SSD Optimizer after a Secure Erase is really worthless and serves no purpose.

Running an SSD Optimizer on a SSD that has just been SE is worthless regardless of how it is done, with any program, that is independent of the Magician software. That was in reference to your "refresh" question.
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