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I'm new to building since I've been using Apple mostly. I like the idea of making a rig from the ground up, something I really can't do with Apple so far. I like video games with great textures, sound and speed, even PvP or coop games, and I've played a few like Witcher 2 on other friends' PCs. Awesome graphics and performance!

I'm not on a tight budget, but I also don't want to throw money away either. That kind of defeats the purpose and fun of building a rig for me. Would I like to get the Titan gtx? Sure. But only if the cost can be justified, and at 1,000 USD I'm curious as to what people think.

What would people recommend as far as components? Some friends will let me have a Corsair 600t case in white, a Corsair 850W psu, and others will let me have 128 GB SSD (Crucial I believe) and a Samsung 1.5 TB HDD. I can probably also get a 2600k or 2700k chip too. I don't have to go with these if they're not optimal for high-end gaming (Witcher 2 on uber XD ) and sometimes programs such as Maya and PS. Please let me know what components you'd put together given my preferences for high-end gaming and computer modeling. I will want to overclock the cpu. I'll do a search on that once I get your suggestions for a rig.

Thanks for your time helping me out. I'm looking forward to my first build!
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I like your friends. The 600t and 850w PSU should be rock solid places to start, and the SSD is worth every penny. the 2600k or 2700k (i7) should be more than enough for gaming, although most people go down to the 2500k (i5) for heat reasons. I have the 2500k, never skipped a beat so far.

In regards to graphics, I have an ASUS 560 TI core 448 edition, and it can max out or almost max out all the games i have @ 1080p. Id say a GTX 660 / TI or a 670 / TI would be perfect for you (TI just means manufacturer modified for more performance as far as i know), nice med-high end cards. Important bullet on that, the new 7XX series cards are out in a few months, so I'd wait for those to release and either pick up the price dropped 6XX series or whatever 7XX series catches your eye.

For overclocking, you really want an aftermarket cooler and quality parts. Lots of people run the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO, myself included, and it is a great cooler. quiet and does its job, just what i wanted. Other options include the AIO watercoolers (corsair hi80, etc.) which look fantastic and are a lot less work than a full custom water loop.

Motherboards can be kinda sketchy depending, and if you get a bad one Customer Service might not actually be all that helpful... Im happy with mine, so i cant comment much on who is a good brand. But there are horror stories for every manufacturer about RMA's boards being shipped back broken even worse and other such (expensive) nightmares, so grain of salt and do your research.

RAM, lots of good brands people like. Kingston, Patriot, G.Skill, take your pick. Photoshop says with a 64 bit windows install and a 64 bit Photoshop client it can use as much RAM as you can fit into your computer, so a 16 GB kit should do nicely. worst case its a little much and you never max out your RAM, which really isn't that big of an issue. thumb.gif

In all, enjoy the build!
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Thanks M3nta1! I appreciate your input. I heard Asus makes good motherboards, so I'll check the one out in your profile. I was looking at the 600t. The USB 3.0 are in the back of the case. I could be spoiled by my Apple products because they all have easy-to-access 3.0 and Thunderbolt too. Are there cases with good 3.0 locations? Or ones that don't even use 2.0 anymore? If I could get Thunderbolt, that'd be cool, but I'm not sure if that's rare for PCs. I looked at your cooling recommendations, and the H80i and H100i look like good choice along with your other rec. I knew PS was RAM heavy but didn't realize it was that intensive. I'll follow your advice and go for the larger RAM then. So the 7xx series isn't out yet? I've seen the Titan advertised, like today lol, so NVidia hasn't released the 7xx's? Look forward to hearing back from you!
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Thanks M3nta1! I appreciate your input. I heard Asus makes good motherboards, so I'll check the one out in your profile. I was looking at the 600t. The USB 3.0 are in the back of the case. I could be spoiled by my Apple products because they all have easy-to-access 3.0 and Thunderbolt too. Are there cases with good 3.0 locations? Or ones that don't even use 2.0 anymore? If I could get Thunderbolt, that'd be cool, but I'm not sure if that's rare for PCs. I looked at your cooling recommendations, and the H80i and H100i look like good choice along with your other rec. I knew PS was RAM heavy but didn't realize it was that intensive. I'll follow your advice and go for the larger RAM then. So the 7xx series isn't out yet? I've seen the Titan advertised, like today lol, so NVidia hasn't released the 7xx's? Look forward to hearing back from you!
7xx are already on sale on newegg. Id suggest getting GTX 780 over titan as its much better value for money. Second, swap the 2600K over 4770K and a Z87 motherboard.
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So get the 4770k? Do they run hot when overclocked beyond a certain limit, 4.8 Ghz or so? I wouldn't mind getting a Haswell, but I haven't been able to find out that much about the chip. Thanks for the info.
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Haswell runs extremely hot.
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Hello again! before you get sold on your CPU figure out how many programs will take advantage of the extra threads, then decide if its worth it. Extra money and the extra heat are both penalties of the i7 over the i5, but the h100i can handle either with a moderate overclock. And Photoshop isnt really RAM heavy by itself, it just uses as much as it can get as long as both OS and PS are 64 bit. Editing a massive 1080p picture with a few plugins installed can really eat up RAM quickly, and the extra bit will help speed things along.

I wasn't aware the full 7XX series had been released, but i know it was announced. My search on Newegg for a GTX 760 didn't return anything, not that it was overly thorough. Agreed though, the Titan is a very niche card for a very niche user, mainly the ones with 3+ screens that edit 4K video and crazy stuff like that. Anything between the 660 and the 780 will run everything very well, assuming 1080p screen. AMD equivalents are also available, I'm not 100% sure what competes against what anymore so you'll have to dig around for some benchmarks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820223120
^bolts into 2 DVD (5.25 inch) bay. reads any kind of memory card, 2 USB 3.0, 4 USB 2.0, and an E-Sata. There are several options available, that's just the one that caught my eye due to number of features.

Another option is a new case, ive got a different corsair. the 400R. it has dual 3.0 USB ports in the front, and a Thunderbolt port (im assuming NOT an apple thunderbolt port but i have literally never used it.) as well as an option to toggle the lights on the two front fans. Really nice touch that last bit. I'm sure there are tons of cases around with front mounted USB 3.0, i know NZXT and Lan Li are other cases that like front mounted USBs. Google around, case is very much a case of personal preference. Find one that looks cool, and if its only disqualified by something simple to correct like front USB or not enough fans, pick it up and make it what you need it. Thats the real beauty of building your own PC! thumb.gif

EDIT: Yes Haswell runs very hot when you push it beyond a certain point. it uses TIM instead of a direct solder link to the heat spreader, so after a while the TIM just cant transfer enough heat off the CPU into the cooler.
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Thanks again M3nta1! The 400r in white is really nice. I like the front usb 3.0 a lot.

Someone passed me a Toms Hardware link about the 770. It got an amazing review.

I want a great gaming rig but also want good performance on photoshop even maya too, but again mainly gaming. Toms said the 770 beats out the 680 and is cheaper. Oddly not even two Titans do well in Crysis 3. It said to play that game on high settings required 2 gpus!

So given that I want a great gaming rig and to use photoshop is Haswell worth it when I can get a 2600k for free?

Which motherboard has the most room between PCI slots and best configuration for usb 3. 0? I'd like Thunderbolt but can livr without it.

Looking forward to your response!
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Haswell runs extremely hot.
I like people saying these silly statements without any credible information. Haswell runs just like Ivy bride and that's only when OCed. I doubt this guy is going to bother with OCing. OP, if you go with a good CPU cooler, you have nothing to worry about.
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Hi L36 -- I will overclock my chip once I build this rig. I'm hoping to get to around 4.8 GHz or so though maybe lower if the temperatures run too hot or the voltage is more than I'd like. If I weren't planning on over clocking, heat wouldn't really be an issue. But once I build the computer, I want to keep going and start learning how to overclock the cpu, the ram (I think people do this?), and the gpu (if people do this too). Thank you for your input smile.gif
Edited by BusterJRT - 6/3/13 at 12:11pm
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