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You can overclock ANYTHING in your computer given enough time and patience (and money for dead peices xD) CPU, GPU, RAM, even parts of the motherboard can be overclocked (North and South bridge, they pass info between all the components on the board). And i still think its not worth paying to upgrade from the 2600K, however the 4770k will overclock. It will just get much hotter at the top end of the heat spectrum much faster, but should still support a mild overclock. IMO, id stick with the 2600K because it will run cooler at the top end, where a gaming rig might live most of its life.

And i like my 400r, it was easy to build in for a first full build, cable management is well placed for a nice clean build, and the air filters do a LOT to keep dust out.

As for the GTX 770, I am more than a touch jealous. That is a beautiful card. Im sure it will treat you well for a while. then the urge to upgrade begins, and suddenly its not enough xD

PCI slot spacing is standardized so it fits like its supposed to, so there are no mobos with extra space between them. there are ones that have empty slots, no PCI slots fitted, to allow for dual slot cards to not interfere with anything.

On the topic of standards, Apple computers are the only ones with thunderbolt. They keep it proprietary because its Apple.

USB 3.0, just look for one with 2+ USB 3.0 INTERNAL headers. then just plug the 3.0 wires into the mobo and away you go at super speed! I say two or more because (assuming you take the 400r) one is already taken, and if you ever want to add in a card or expantion that has 3.0 headers you just use the other one.
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this has likely been covered, but I will put another vote in the bin.

if you can get a deal on a 2500k/2600k/2700k those chips are basically just as good as an ivy or a haswell for gaming.

you will want to look into pcie 3.0 support depending on the gcard(s) you are going with, but really pcie 2.0 x16 still feeds everything just fine I think. not sure if any new cards require pcie 3.0 x16 to avoid bottlenecking, but its possible some of the high end cards might be pushing this limit. I definitely don't know, my guess is that no, pcie 3.0 x8 or pcie 2.0 x16 is still way more than enough for a single card.

anyways look into the pcie 3.0 thing cause afaik sandy chips don't support it, some mobos don't, ivys do, haswells do. newer z77 mobos do. gotta have an ivy chip in it tho.

I see also from previous post something about thunderbolt, if this is something your looking at/wanting, asus has released a mobo with thunderbolt, check it out. not sure if it works or w/e but they have it.
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Thank you everyone for the info!

I can get the 2600k for free. I'd have to buy the 4770k.

I'm reading about pcie 3 after the last post. The 2600k only supports 2.0. I also read that the 690 and Titan were not bottlenecked by a x16 pcie 2.0. There were tiny differences at x8 between 2.0 vs 3.0.

I'm planning on getting the 770 or 780. I'll only have one screen that'll be 27" max so don't think I'd need more than one card.

Do Haswell chips offer noticeable benefits over a 2600k though? I know heat is an issue when overclocking, and I want to oc the chip. I think 4.5 Ghz is a good number. I don't know about 4.8, and I wouldn't feel comfortable going higher.

What motherboards do you recommend? It'd be nice to have more than two sata III, and usb 3.0. I see a lot of 1155 boards are discontinued, so your advice is much appreciated. If you recommend Haswell, could you recommend a motherboard too?

Thanks!
post #14 of 40
between free 2600k and paying for ivy, stick with free. total performance gain on ivy is maybe 10% if u get a good overclocker, 0% if u get a bad one. from what im hearing anywyas, im lookin at a similar purchase.
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Thank you everyone for the info!

I can get the 2600k for free. I'd have to buy the 4770k.

I'm reading about pcie 3 after the last post. The 2600k only supports 2.0. I also read that the 690 and Titan were not bottlenecked by a x16 pcie 2.0. There were tiny differences at x8 between 2.0 vs 3.0.

I'm planning on getting the 770 or 780. I'll only have one screen that'll be 27" max so don't think I'd need more than one card.

Do Haswell chips offer noticeable benefits over a 2600k though? I know heat is an issue when overclocking, and I want to oc the chip. I think 4.5 Ghz is a good number. I don't know about 4.8, and I wouldn't feel comfortable going higher.

What motherboards do you recommend? It'd be nice to have more than two sata III, and usb 3.0. I see a lot of 1155 boards are discontinued, so your advice is much appreciated. If you recommend Haswell, could you recommend a motherboard too?

Thanks!

Since you can get the 2600k for free, that is obviously the best choice.

There really is minimal differences between 2.0/3.0 not enough to worry about anything.

I've seen the 770 in action, friend picked up one today at Microcenter. Last one in stock. eVGA Superclocked. We were able to get it stable at 1300MHz core, and over 7500+ on the memory in about 30 mins. Still have more room on the memory we feel, just didn't bother. Pulled a 10300 3DMark11 score with an i7 960 @ 4.2GHz. Card is superb. For 1080p would be perfect for you and the prices they are going for are awesome. Grabbed the 770 for $420.

Haswell has slightly higher IPC than a 2600k, but because of heat the 2600k can make up that IPC in higher overclocks. 4.7/4.8GHz is obtainable on a 2600k without a doubt. Especially if you have decent cooling (H110, H100, Swiftech H220, NZXT Kraken X60, etc.) Higher is even possible if you get lucky, but you won't know that until you see what it looks like @ 4.8GHz.

Motherboards, I would look at the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H or ASRock Z77 OC Forumla. If you want to spend a little less than that without suffering from quality/features. ASRock Z77 Extreme6 or Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H. I wouldn't bother thinking about Haswell. The 2600k will be fine, and at least with those chips 4.8-5.0GHz is plausible, whereas with Haswell you you can kiss that idea goodbye.
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thanks for the great information! I look up the specs for the ASRock Z 77 OC formula. That motherboard is impressive. I have a question about the PCI E 3.O on that motherboard. Since the 2600 K does not support PCI 3.0 this motherboard looks as if it only has one PCI 2.0 that is x4. Does this mean my 2600 k will only be able to access the x4 PCI 2.0?

what do you feel is the best cooling system I could purchase for the 2600 K chip? I like 600T case, but I do know the H100 he had was difficult put in. I like a white case, mental posted that he has a 400 R case. since this is my first build, and I like white, what would you suggest? Would you suggest a larger case which is a little more roomie for cooling systems that could be put in a push-pull configuration? There are so many styles that it is difficult look at them all. I like white cases that have some character to their appearances.

Thanks fot helping out!
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thanks for the great information! I look up the specs for the ASRock Z 77 OC formula. That motherboard is impressive. I have a question about the PCI E 3.O on that motherboard. Since the 2600 K does not support PCI 3.0 this motherboard looks as if it only has one PCI 2.0 that is x4. Does this mean my 2600 k will only be able to access the x4 PCI 2.0?

what do you feel is the best cooling system I could purchase for the 2600 K chip? I like 600T case, but I do know the H100 he had was difficult put in. I like a white case, mental posted that he has a 400 R case. since this is my first build, and I like white, what would you suggest? Would you suggest a larger case which is a little more roomie for cooling systems that could be put in a push-pull configuration? There are so many styles that it is difficult look at them all. I like white cases that have some character to their appearances.

Thanks fot helping out!

no all the pcie 3.0 slots on a mobo can be run at 2.0, which is what they will do if you don't have an ivy or haswell. they will run at the rated speeds, eg pcie 3.0 x16 = pcie 2.0 x16

I will edit a bit of extra info to clarify:

pcie 3.0 is 2x faster than pcie 2.0, but you don't really need it to run a graphics card, pcie 2.0 x16 is enough throughput to feed your card all the data it needs. (the pipe is big enough)

pcie 3.0 x8 is = pcie 2.0 x16 in terms of data throughput.

so on a 1155 mobo like what your looking at, all the pcie 3.0 x16 slots will become pcie 2.0 x16 slots when u use a sandy cpu. you will have no problems.
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thanks for the great information! I look up the specs for the ASRock Z 77 OC formula. That motherboard is impressive. I have a question about the PCI E 3.O on that motherboard. Since the 2600 K does not support PCI 3.0 this motherboard looks as if it only has one PCI 2.0 that is x4. Does this mean my 2600 k will only be able to access the x4 PCI 2.0?

what do you feel is the best cooling system I could purchase for the 2600 K chip? I like 600T case, but I do know the H100 he had was difficult put in. I like a white case, mental posted that he has a 400 R case. since this is my first build, and I like white, what would you suggest? Would you suggest a larger case which is a little more roomie for cooling systems that could be put in a push-pull configuration? There are so many styles that it is difficult look at them all. I like white cases that have some character to their appearances.

Thanks fot helping out!

No problem. No, all it means is that when you put the video card in the PCI 3.0 x16 slot, it will be running at PCI 2.0 x16.

The best cooling would be one of the AIO watercooling units I recommended in the previous post. However, if you are using a 600T none of them are going to fit properly or at all. If you are set on the 600T, you can put an H80i in there and it will cool the 2600k just fine even @ 4.7/4.8GHz. If you are into looking at something else that is larger for better cooling options and is white then here are some recommendations; Corsair Carbide Series 500R, COOLER MASTER CM Storm Scout 2, NZXT Phantom 410, NZXT Phantom 820, NZXT SWITCH 810, AZZA Genesis 9000, COUGAR Evolution-W to name a few (mid and full tower).

Some of these cases will allow you to use better coolers like the Corsair H110, NZXT Kraken x60, or Swiftech H220.

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Hi Big Stro0nz - I'm not sold on the 600t just like the white color. I love the design of the NZXT 410 but see it's close to same size as the 600t. My friend told me the H100 fit but wasn't great and the case could never fit the H110. Which cooling AIO do you feel is the best? Which cases would fit this AIO and be an easy installation? I also want a front usb 3.0.

Thanks!
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Just a quick note on the cases, ensure they support your motherboard size. Had that happen to a friend, bought an ATX mobo but a Micro-ATX case. Did not end well. On the subject of character in cases, the NXZT Phantom 410 is AMAZING looking. Not sure if the h100i will mount natively to the top, but i agree with BiG StroOnz that the h80i would be more than enough cooling, and that just mounts to the rear 120mm exhaust. The white corsair 500R would take the h100i up top no problem tho.
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