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How would the NZXT 820 Phantom work? It's a really cool looking case. smile.gif I think it has usb 3.0 ports in the front of the case too. Will it easily fit a gtx 770/780, the ASRock Motherboard Big recommended and an H100i? What would you say is the best cooler?
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Yup, should fit pretty much any card you can put in it. The h100i will fit up top but not overly cleanly, the top is designed to house 200mm fans but the cooler has 120mm fans. Id say stick to the h80i, it fits to the back nicely. Other than that, the Phantom 820 should do all you could want. thumb.gif

Any chance to get an updated parts list? see what you picked?
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Hi Big Stro0nz - I'm not sold on the 600t just like the white color. I love the design of the NZXT 410 but see it's close to same size as the 600t. My friend told me the H100 fit but wasn't great and the case could never fit the H110. Which cooling AIO do you feel is the best? Which cases would fit this AIO and be an easy installation? I also want a front usb 3.0.

Thanks!

The 410 should have no problem fitting the H100 from what I'm reading. Apparently it mounts above the interior of the case and then the tubing goes down through the space. The roof panel will fit on top. You can't fit an H110 or the other 140MM coolers, but the H100 is still great. They are all about equal within a few degrees of each other. The ones with the 140mm fans cool a little better while remaining quieter.

Almost all those cases should make installing any of the the AIO coolers a breeze, they are generally easy to install. However, some of them won't be able to support the 140MM AIO coolers.
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Nice to know. I read great reviews on the Kraken x60. Would that be a better choice if I go with the nzxt phantom either the 410 or 820 in white? I prefer a smaller case since I'll have at most 2 gpus but I sometimes think it's better to get the larger case for more flexibility and options?

@M3nta1 smile.gif Here's what I'm thinking so far for the build

2600k
Nzxt phantom (unsure which size atm)
Kraken x60 or H100i or H110 (whichever works best in phantom case and keeps lowest temp on oc 2600k ~4.5 - 4.8Ghz and I want quieter too)
Gtx 770 or 780 (help me with this one! Lol)
850w psu
ASRock motherboad Big recommended
16 g ram (advice on speed plz)
1.5 Tb HDD Samsung
Crucial or Samsung SSD (128 or 256 plz advise)
Edited by BusterJRT - 6/4/13 at 9:41pm
post #25 of 40
I have the Phantom 820 and both the H100 and H110 will fit as is (no mods needed). If you want to get the H110 you'd want to make sure that whatever case you get supports 280mm rads on top, as I don't think you can mount it on the bottom.

GTX 770 vs 780: for single monitor 770 is enough to max out most games today. Go with 780 if you want the fancy looking cooler.

16GB is fine. Brands are not really that important, just go for any of the big names.

I personally prefer WD hard drives but again it's all preferences. The Caviar Black drives are expensive but also faster than most drives out there. 5 year warranty is also a plus.

I don't know much about SSD but the Samsung 840 Pro seems to be all the rage these days. If you go Crucial go with the newer M500. Again SSD drives seem to have reach the saturation point where reliability isn't as big a deal as it was in the past.
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Nice to know. I read great reviews on the Kraken x60. Would that be a better choice if I go with the nzxt phantom either the 410 or 820 in white? I prefer a smaller case since I'll have at most 2 gpus but I sometimes think it's better to get the larger case for more flexibility and options?

@M3nta1 smile.gif Here's what I'm thinking so far for the build

2600k
Nzxt phantom (unsure which size atm)
Kraken x60 or H100i or H110 (whichever works best in phantom case and keeps lowest temp on oc 2600k ~4.5 - 4.8Ghz and I want quieter too)
Gtx 770 or 780 (help me with this one! Lol)
850w psu
ASRock motherboad Big recommended
16 g ram (advice on speed plz)
1.5 Tb HDD Samsung
Crucial or Samsung SSD (128 or 256 plz advise)

You can only fit the x60 or H110 in the 820. The 410 will support an H100i though. Either cooler will be able to keep the temps low, if you put the x60 or H110 in Push/Pull with some higher RPM fans you will see some really nice results. bgears b-Blaster 140mm fans have a static pressure of 3.50 mmH20. Stock H110 fans do 1.64 mmH2O to give you an idea of the gains you would get. I would go with the H110 for reliability and warranty. Especially with the aftermarket fans.

Between the 770 and the 780, I would go with the 770 if you plan on only gaming @ 1080p, the 780 if you plan on going to 1440p or 1600p

Memory, Go with G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 2133. Not really that much more money than 16GB of 1600 or 1866, but instead Cas 9 and 2133MHz speed.

For your mechanical drive, might be best to go with a WD Blue 1TB or Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB. Prices are so low, and speeds are nice.

If you are looking for a decent SSD without breaking your wallet. Look into the Plextor M5P Xtreme Series. Can't really beat that price to performance at all. $219.99 on Newegg right now for 256GB.

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You can only fit the x60 or H110 in the 820. The 410 will support an H100i though. Either cooler will be able to keep the temps low, if you put the x60 or H110 in Push/Pull with some higher RPM fans you will see some really nice results. bgears b-Blaster 140mm fans have a static pressure of 3.50 mmH20. Stock H110 fans do 1.64 mmH2O to give you an idea of the gains you would get. I would go with the H110 for reliability and warranty. Especially with the aftermarket fans.

Between the 770 and the 780, I would go with the 770 if you plan on only gaming @ 1080p, the 780 if you plan on going to 1440p or 1600p

Memory, Go with G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 2133. Not really that much more money than 16GB of 1600 or 1866, but instead Cas 9 and 2133MHz speed.

For your mechanical drive, might be best to go with a WD Blue 1TB or Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB. Prices are so low, and speeds are nice.

If you are looking for a decent SSD without breaking your wallet. Look into the Plextor M5P Xtreme Series. Can't really beat that price to performance at all. $219.99 on Newegg right now for 256GB.

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Thank you Big! That answers a lot of my questions about components! Since I'm building a new rig, after all of this info, I'm going to ask a noob question because I'm pretty amped up about a first build. Would you recommend the 4770k and an ASRock motherboard? The inner upgrader in me keeps tempting me. I know Haswell runs hot but with x60 Kraken coolers is 4.7 achievable? Are these 4.8 speeds I see in the reviews atypical for the chip? I read that it's a lottery to get an overclockable chip, so what are my chances?

Look forward to hearing back. I'll be using the rig for demanding games on high settings like Crysis 3, so even with 1 monitor Crysis 3 supposedly needs 2 gpus to run on high settings and I'll be running Max, Blender and a few editing programs too.
Edited by BusterJRT - 6/5/13 at 7:15am
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Thank you Big! That answers a lot of my questions about components! Since I'm building a new rig, after all of this info, I'm going to ask a noob question because I'm pretty amped up about a first build. Would you recommend the 4770k and an ASRock motherboard? The inner upgrader in me keeps tempting me. I know Haswell runs hot but with x60 Kraken coolers is 4.7 achievable? Are these 4.8 speeds I see in the reviews atypical for the chip? I read that it's a lottery to get an overclockable chip, so what are my chances?

Look forward to hearing back. I'll be using the rig for demanding games on high settings like Crysis 3, so even with 1 monitor Crysis 3 supposedly needs 2 gpus to run on high settings and I'll be running Max, Blender and a few editing programs too.


Seems to be between the 4770k, 3770k, and 2600k, according to benchmarks they are mostly equal or comparable. Many of these reviewers are getting pretty good Haswell samples, which is why they usually are saying your results will probably not be similar. Realistically, 4.5/4.6GHz is probably where you will be around. There is always a chance of 4.7/4.8GHz but even that isn't an everyday thing with Ivy Bridge. Cooling wise, the x60 Kraken and other nice coolers should keep the temps low enough in theory to achieve these goals. However, it's mostly luck of the draw with the silicon lottery because even if your temps are in check it doesn't necessarily mean you will be heading to 4.7/4.8GHz territory.

Not really sure if you are saying you will be playing Crysis 3 while running these editing programs in the background simultaneously? If that's the case you might want to consider X79 and Sandy-E over Haswell to be honest (and Ivy-E will be releasing soon if you were to ever want to upgrade). So I'll recommend a setup for that instead: ASRock X79 Extreme6 LGA 2011 (they also have an Open Box X79 Extreme9 on Newegg which is really nicely priced) and Intel Core i7-3930K (get off of Amazon.com going for $470)

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Oh man i am so in favor of building a computer that can run Crysis 3 and blender at the same time... that said, pretty sure programs are being run one at a time.

The parts list looks really good, should be a really nice computer.

The "silicon lottery" is just a term for how well a chip will clock. If all chips will clock at least X over stock, some chips will just have everything line up that little bit better and overclock an extra Y. For example, most 2500Ks can reach 4GHZ, but only a few will be able to reach 5GHZ. Overclock-able chips will still overclock, its just a question of how far and how close to the edge you are willing to push the chip. Im still running stock on my i5 because i dont feel a need to overclock just now. your 2600K should be even better, so i wouldnt upgrade. The temptation for shiny new things is strong tho. Either way im sure you will be happy with your rig thumb.gif

As for the RAM, anything over 1000 would be good. pick a reliable brand name (G.Skill, Kingston, etc.) and you wont go wrong. Look for whatever fits your colour scheme and if its on sale, all the better.

I agree, pick up a new, fast hard drive. Id use the Samsung in an external enclosure for movies or backups or whatever else.

EDIT: id get the GTX 780. If you decide to upgrade to one of the 1440p screens the extra grunt will be appreciated, and even at 1080p it will let the card run cooler and quieter.
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Heya M3nta1,

Thank you for explaining the lottery. I see all these 4.8 - 5 Ghz speeds without realizing those are probably exceptions and a lot of chips won't go that high. The reviews are a great marketing campaign to someone like me cuz I'd think those are easy-to-get speeds.

So the 780 will support 1440... that's great to know. I favor uber graphics in a game over speed. I'll take a super amazing look over an FPS with stock textures anyday, but if I play a shooter I sure want high fps so I don't suffer from lag others do not have.

Is it G. Skill that makes something calles Ripjaw? It's a name I recognize.

Microcenter is selling 4770k for $279 and 3770k for $269. Newegg is selling a sata III HDD. I thought only SSD would be sata III. How much faster is a sata III ssd vs hdd? btw I just found out the 2600k I can get ran mostly at 4.2 sometimes 4.4 Ghz. It maxed at 4.7 but never for any length of time, so I was told the chip was most stable in the lower end of the 4s...

I'm almost there in my head with the build. The lure of new/shiny is really strong with me atm lol.

Edit: I will be doing machinima soon. I need to find the right software, but I wanted to update the demands on my rig. I can see having Blender, PS, and another program open at the same time.
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