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I would be interested to see what qualifications you all have for even debating this sort of thing. As far as I know, all you guys learned to talk like this from watching Big Bang Theory and are now trying to emulate your new favorite TV personality. Don't take that to mean that laypeople can't discuss things of more importance than what Mr and Mrs Jones did last night, but some of you guys are getting into this debate pretty intensely to be purely spectators.

First: This article proves nothing. This article was not meant to prove anything. That is why they call it Theoretical Physics. You can believe whatever you want. Keep in mind believing in multiverse theory based on this finding is quantifiable to believing in the existence of demons and ghosts because you heard something knocking on your walls last night.

Second: For everyone contemplating the infinite, stop now. Especially those trying to give meaning to it. Infinity has no meaning besides an endless cold nothingness. Your brain will always try to place boundaries on things because that is all we know. "Somewhere you can go but will never reach" is a very poetic way of putting it, although technically we are already infinite, our bodies just don't realize it yet. We have forced ourselves into a box known as mortality and have, over time, forgotten the way out.

Third: In the end, it doesn't matter whether or not there are multiple universes or just one. Unless, of course, this research will help me get my space mining corporation off the ground, in which case I am all for it!

Fourth: I have no substantiated scientific background to understand the math that went into this theory or to be questioning, disagreeing, or agreeing with any findings. All of my musing are of a purely theoretical and metaphysical background. As above, so below.

I agree not to mention the people talking about how "this will kill faith" don't know what they're tqalking about.

Someone a few posts above also mentioned an omnipotent God.......well I'm sorry to say it to you but there's multiple definitions for God. We have the deist God, theist God, and God that is everything and all of nature which created the physical laws and we're just reflections of "it" that is Einsteins God also known as pantheism.....that is the one that makes the most sense to me as well as the big bang, and all of this order not to mention physical laws seem to be akin to that of a mind something that is apart of us and is apart of everything.

People that are blind say that it was all just blind luck with no initial "push". I prefer to stick with Einsteins view.
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I agree, humans can hardly see planets out of our own galaxy. We know absolutely nothing about how the universe started (multiple theory's) let alone if there are other universes there are....it's all guesswork.

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But you are making it sound like its a hard fact.
Its not.
They think this makes sense. They assume it makes sense based on their findings.
This can also be wrong.
There can be another evidence they missed, or some other theory in the making, or they thought it makes sense and so their assumptions of their observations where leading to it instead of the other way around.

They have still a very long way to go in order make this theory more substantial. In the articles liked earlier, there are several holes in their theory which they still do not understand, but filled with things they assume are right, and still need to prove them.

Again, SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS NOT PROVEN TRUE, IT'S ACCEPTED AS A PLAUSIBLE THEORY UNTIL PROVEN FALSE. With scientific theory, you only accumulate evidence for it, and that's exactly what they're doing here. Accumulating evidence in support of a theory. The more evidence that is collected, the more compelling and plausible the theory is. This is a huge misconception that really needs to be corrected.

And guess what... we still can't see planets outside of our solar system. What we "see" are wobbles in a star's position presumed to be caused by a mass such as a planet. Or if we're lucky, a shadow cast by a planet. Still not the same thing as seeing them, yet it's universally accepted that we are seeing planets. Why? Because there have been no proof saying otherwise, yet large amounts of evidence in support of it. However, it can be a miniature black hole instead of a planet for all we know.
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Again, SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS NOT PROVEN TRUE, IT'S ACCEPTED AS A PLAUSIBLE THEORY UNTIL PROVEN FALSE. With scientific theory, you only accumulate evidence for it, and that's exactly what they're doing here. Accumulating evidence in support of a theory. The more evidence that is collected, the more compelling and plausible the theory is. This is a huge misconception that really needs to be corrected.

And guess what... we still can't see planets outside of our solar system. What we "see" are wobbles in a star's position presumed to be caused by a mass such as a planet. Or if we're lucky, a shadow cast by a planet. Still not the same thing as seeing them, yet it's universally accepted that we are seeing planets. Why? Because there have been no proof saying otherwise, yet large amounts of evidence in support of it. However, it can be a miniature black hole instead of a planet for all we know.

They measure the "wobbles" and shadows so accurately they know the distance from the star. Pretty sure a black hole would consume the light.
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Good, I will need somewhere to go after outlasting this universe
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They measure the "wobbles" and shadows so accurately they know the distance from the star. Pretty sure a black hole would consume the light.

A black hole with the same mass as a planet will not swallow the light any more than a planet would.
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Again, SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS NOT PROVEN TRUE, IT'S ACCEPTED AS A PLAUSIBLE THEORY UNTIL PROVEN FALSE. With scientific theory, you only accumulate evidence for it, and that's exactly what they're doing here. Accumulating evidence in support of a theory. The more evidence that is collected, the more compelling and plausible the theory is. This is a huge misconception that really needs to be corrected.

And guess what... we still can't see planets outside of our solar system. What we "see" are wobbles in a star's position presumed to be caused by a mass such as a planet. Or if we're lucky, a shadow cast by a planet. Still not the same thing as seeing them, yet it's universally accepted that we are seeing planets. Why? Because there have been no proof saying otherwise, yet large amounts of evidence in support of it. However, it can be a miniature black hole instead of a planet for all we know.

Seeing a "wobble" and not detail of the planet is not the same thing as "seeing" the planet.

We do not have telescopes that reach that far or a means to go that far of a distance yet alone look at the surface of the planet.

Also there are multiple scientific theory's of how the universe started. We have no way to know for sure how the universe started just yet. All that it is, is "something that exploded from an infinitely hot yet as dense as the tip of a pencil tip exploded", it sounds good and they go with it.

We're still using fossil fuels, I'm sure that years down the road people will laugh at those that believed in some of the theory's that exist today just like people believed that the sun revolved around us.
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Yes, I do exist ladies and gentlemen.
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Seeing a "wobble" and not detail of the planet is not the same thing as "seeing" the planet.

We do not have telescopes that reach that far or a means to go that far of a distance yet alone look at the surface of the planet.

Also there are multiple scientific theory's of how the universe started. We have no way to know for sure how the universe started just yet. All that it is, is "something that exploded from an infinitely hot yet as dense as the tip of a pencil tip exploded", it sounds good and they go with it.

We're still using fossil fuels, I'm sure that years down the road people will laugh at those that believed in some of the theory's that exist today just like people believed that the sun revolved around us.

So? The point is you can't tangibly see the planet, therefore how do you know it exists? We know they exist because we see the wobbles, and extrapolating based on the General Relativity Theory, we know they exist. But that's still based on a theory.

So again, you either find support for a theory, or find proof against a theory. You never find proof of a theory.
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Seeing a "wobble" and not detail of the planet is not the same thing as "seeing" the planet.

By that logic, we don't know if a missile is headed straight towards us because we can't see it with our eyes, just RADAR or something.

It may be true, but chances are (And more likely in the case of the star's wobble considering we know our star does it from the planets we can see and send robots to whereas RADAR has had its issues in the past to say the least) that our machinery is reporting it right.
    
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By that logic, we don't know if a missile is headed straight towards us because we can't see it with our eyes, just RADAR or something.

It may be true, but chances are (And more likely in the case of the star's wobble considering we know our star does it from the planets we can see and send robots to whereas RADAR has had its issues in the past to say the least) that our machinery is reporting it right.

Wrong, we know the missile exists because the details exist and we see them. Bad analogy there.

Good luck NASA getting to planets that are lightyears away.

In my opinion they need to revamp the telescope to the point where you can see the surface of a planet with one. I'm pretty sure that they aleady have telescopes where you can see the surface details of the moon.

That way we can tell if there is something inhabiting the planet or not.

There is light being bounced off of these planets and hitting earth as we speak.

With advancement of optics we would be able to see th surface of the planets and see if there is "intelligent" life there.

If I were to go to school it would be for optics and designing telescopes or a new form of optics that does not revolve around glass to see far away planets but to be honest I'm more of a creative person, math & science bore me to death I'd rather let others figure out the boring stuff (which they find to be fun, but they also probably find learning how to paint boring or too hard as each person has their own love).
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