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39 inch is far too large for a computer monitor........seriously.

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It depends on how far you sit from your screen / how large your desk is. I have a sizeable corner desk. If I lean back in my chair, I'm about 4 feet away from my monitor. 100 DPI is about the sweet spot with my eyesight, but 27" 1440p feels kind of small. 36-42" and ~100 DPI (which is roughly what 4k is at that size) would be the absolute sweet spot for me.


4ft away from a monitor on your desk while still sitting at the desk? That seems like a slight exaggeration.....maybe 3ft.....
Is 4ft even far away enough though?


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39" is by no means to big.

I run 42" Plasma TV (1080p), I sit roughly 1.75m (5'9") from it and I don't have to move my neck or anything to look at it, its perfectly fine, and I get to put my feet up on a chair and not have to worry about knocking things of my desk which is full of PC, TV, & sound system.

Now is 42" to big, well it depends on the size of the room and the space u have available, I have my rig in my bedroom, which means my room is basically a media room with a bed now tongue.gif





Anyway its a damn shame Asus wont be selling that 39" model. maybe next year some other 37" or bigger option will come out, and hopefully with HDMI 2.0 and at the same time NVidia releases a flagship Maxwell GPU or better that can handle 4k on a single card.

That's not a desk...that's a HTPC setup...in your bedroom.

If you're sitting too close to your monitor and you try to play a FPS type game........you're going to have a bad time....especially in multiplayer.
You won't have any peripheral vision.

Racing games would probably be fine though.
    
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4ft away from a monitor on your desk while still sitting at the desk? That seems like a slight exaggeration.....maybe 3ft.....

It's a good thing you've been to my house and my office so that you can tell me when I'm exaggerating or not. I just never know sometimes, and my favorite thing to do is make up meaningless things on internet forums. rolleyes.gif

I found your snide comment so obnoxious I actually went and measured. 49" from my eyeball to the monitor. And yeah, 40" at about the same DPI would be perfect.
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4ft away from a monitor on your desk while still sitting at the desk? That seems like a slight exaggeration.....maybe 3ft.....
Is 4ft even far away enough though?

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It's a good thing you've been to my house and my office so that you can tell me when I'm exaggerating or not. I just never know sometimes, and my favorite thing to do is make up meaningless things on internet forums. rolleyes.gif

I found your snide comment so obnoxious I actually went and measured. 49" from my eyeball to the monitor. And yeah, 40" at about the same DPI would be perfect.

For a 40 inch HDTV 4-5 feet seems to be about the optimum minimum range according to several manufacturers and THX.
Optimum ranges

This is the posture I imagine you use to achieve that 49 inch distance:


I don't understand why you would choose to have such a large TV screen so close to your face.
Are you searching for Man-Bear-Pig?

    
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For a 40 inch HDTV 4-5 feet seems to be about the optimum minimum range according to several manufacturers and THX.
Optimum ranges

These are for a 1920x1080 resolution screen. In case of a 39'' 4K (3840 x 2160) screen the optimal viewing distance is ~75 cm (~30'') i.e., smaller than the diagonal of the screen. Convinient online calculator for arbitrary screen size and resolution can be found at http://isthisretina.com/

Considering that 39'' diagonal screen is approx 34'' x 19'' in size then at optimal wieving distance it would have about (for reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_view) ~100 degree horizontal FOV and ~ 60 degree vertical FOV. Thing is, if you would have a smaller 4K screen the optimal viewing distance would also be smaller. At 39'' the 4K screen is approx 110 ppi. At 28'' it would be almost 160 ppi and optimal viewing distance would drop into the ballpark of only ~ 55 cm.
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These are for a 1920x1080 resolution screen. In case of a 39'' 4K (3840 x 2160) screen the optimal viewing distance is ~75 cm (~30'') i.e., smaller than the diagonal of the screen. Convinient online calculator for arbitrary screen size and resolution can be found at http://isthisretina.com/

Considering that 39'' diagonal screen is approx 34'' x 19'' in size then at optimal wieving distance it would have about (for reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_view) ~100 degree horizontal FOV and ~ 60 degree vertical FOV. Thing is, if you would have a smaller 4K screen the optimal viewing distance would also be smaller. At 39'' the 4K screen is approx 110 ppi. At 28'' it would be almost 160 ppi and optimal viewing distance would drop into the ballpark of only ~ 55 cm.

Would this mean we don't have to wait for implemented scaling in software to be able to enjoy this monitor?
Right now I'm reading this at 94.34 PPI @ ~80cm. 100 PPI is ok at this distance still. One thing to consider also is the peripheral view but I think 39" at this distance is very usable.
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These are for a 1920x1080 resolution screen. In case of a 39'' 4K (3840 x 2160) screen the optimal viewing distance is ~75 cm (~30'') i.e., smaller than the diagonal of the screen. Convinient online calculator for arbitrary screen size and resolution can be found at http://isthisretina.com/

Considering that 39'' diagonal screen is approx 34'' x 19'' in size then at optimal wieving distance it would have about (for reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_view) ~100 degree horizontal FOV and ~ 60 degree vertical FOV. Thing is, if you would have a smaller 4K screen the optimal viewing distance would also be smaller. At 39'' the 4K screen is approx 110 ppi. At 28'' it would be almost 160 ppi and optimal viewing distance would drop into the ballpark of only ~ 55 cm.

Yeah... don't think he understands that. He also only seems unable to comprehend the idea of how corner desks work. rolleyes.gif

But yeah... believe it or not, 39" 4K would be ideal for a number of users. Same as there's lots of folks who sit close to their screen who are really excited about 28-32" 4k.
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These are for a 1920x1080 resolution screen. In case of a 39'' 4K (3840 x 2160) screen the optimal viewing distance is ~75 cm (~30'') i.e., smaller than the diagonal of the screen. Convinient online calculator for arbitrary screen size and resolution can be found at http://isthisretina.com/

Considering that 39'' diagonal screen is approx 34'' x 19'' in size then at optimal wieving distance it would have about (for reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_view) ~100 degree horizontal FOV and ~ 60 degree vertical FOV. Thing is, if you would have a smaller 4K screen the optimal viewing distance would also be smaller. At 39'' the 4K screen is approx 110 ppi. At 28'' it would be almost 160 ppi and optimal viewing distance would drop into the ballpark of only ~ 55 cm.

"4k" versus "2k" viewing distance

So...39*1.5=58.5 inches (4ft 10.5 inches)...and that's at a 50 degree viewing angle or is it a (32 degrees?).


It looks like safety recommendations are in the 20 to 30 degree range for office workers.
This would mean "diagonal measurement × 2.5" or "diagonal measurement × 1.5" would be the preferred distance.
So for a 39 inch monitor it would be 58.5 inches (4ft 10.5 inches) to 97.5 inches (8ft 1.5 inches).
For a 24 inch monitor it would be 36 inches (3ft) to 60 inches (5ft).

I just measured...I sit 37 inches away from my 24 inch monitor in the comfortable reclining position and as close as 24 inches away to read something small on screen (uncomfortable sitting position and more eye strain).

Occupational Safety & Health Administration (OSHA) and Canadian Centre for Occupational Health & Safety

It's not about PPI it's about how large the object is and how close it is to your face.

Also let me repeat myself...
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If you're sitting too close to your monitor and you try to play a FPS type game........you're going to have a bad time....especially in multiplayer.
You won't have any peripheral vision.

Racing games would probably be fine though.

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I just measured...I sit 37 inches away from my 24 inch monitor in the comfortable reclining position and as close as 24 inches away to read something small on screen (uncomfortable sitting position and more eye strain).
It's not about PPI it's about how large the object is and how close it is to your face.

I don’t think i would need more than a 28" screen..perhaps 32" if i wall mounted the screen another 30cm away. I always recline but even then i still like to feel that my eyes gate is naturally focused at the screens surface, i usually sit about 39 Inches away from a 1080p 25" screen so your 37" for 24" seems about right. I think 28" 4k is about my limit for a 'monitor' with the increased pixel count and distance i sit i wouldn’t want to get any larger seen as i could effectively move the screen closer to my face and still not see the pixels. Those wanting a 39" will have their entire frontal fov consumed and this actually might become a bit disorientating and require occasional tennis match head movement. So seating distance is everything here..

to make things even more awkward because people will need to move the 39" a bit further away they will need to increase the DPI as the human eye wont pick out enough detail from further away.
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About useful FOV. In my experience easily usabe FOV is approx 60..90 deg. horizontally and approx 40 deg. vertically as long as the vertical FOV starts at your eye level and goes downward. It's ofc personal, subjective to some degree and dependent on what you are doing exactly with that screen area. You can easily reach approx 120 deg horizontally with just eye movements but it's not comfortable, ok if you just have to glance at something in there but if you have to pay attention longer than approx 3 sec it's just easier to turn head slightly - just feels more natural. Anything above your eye level is straining to use on regular basis. It's ok though for anything you need to galnce over only once in a while, say temperatures or such. I have gone through quite many configurations over the years in this regard. I think I like the most the pretty straightforward 5x1 portrait eyefinity setup out of the stuff I have done so far. It's a 80'' diagonal array with resolution of 5400x1920 approx 90 cm from my eyes. That is approx ~150 deg FOV horizontally and ~55 deg FOV vertically. The sidemost screens are not in easy reach but they do add to immersion in games by providing periphelial vision and I like them there. Depends on particular game settigs as well ofc, some games do not handle all that well nonstandard aspect ratios.
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I don’t think i would need more than a 28" screen..perhaps 32" if i wall mounted the screen another 30cm away. I always recline but even then i still like to feel that my eyes gate is naturally focused at the screens surface, i usually sit about 39 Inches away from a 1080p 25" screen so your 37" for 24" seems about right. I think 28" 4k is about my limit for a 'monitor' with the increased pixel count and distance i sit i wouldn’t want to get any larger seen as i could effectively move the screen closer to my face and still not see the pixels. Those wanting a 39" will have their entire frontal fov consumed and this actually might become a bit disorientating and require occasional tennis match head movement. So seating distance is everything here..

to make things even more awkward because people will need to move the 39" a bit further away they will need to increase the DPI as the human eye wont pick out enough detail from further away.

Yeah I never even got to that subject...windows is notoriously bad at scaling.
Microsoft tried to improve scaling with Windows 8 but it's still not a viable option.

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About useful FOV. In my experience easily usabe FOV is approx 60..90 deg. horizontally and approx 40 deg. vertically as long as the vertical FOV starts at your eye level and goes downward. It's ofc personal, subjective to some degree and dependent on what you are doing exactly with that screen area. You can easily reach approx 120 deg horizontally with just eye movements but it's not comfortable, ok if you just have to glance at something in there but if you have to pay attention longer than approx 3 sec it's just easier to turn head slightly - just feels more natural. Anything above your eye level is straining to use on regular basis. It's ok though for anything you need to galnce over only once in a while, say temperatures or such. I have gone through quite many configurations over the years in this regard. I think I like the most the pretty straightforward 5x1 portrait eyefinity setup out of the stuff I have done so far. It's a 80'' diagonal array with resolution of 5400x1920 approx 90 cm from my eyes. That is approx ~150 deg FOV horizontally and ~55 deg FOV vertically. The sidemost screens are not in easy reach but they do add to immersion in games by providing periphelial vision and I like them there. Depends on particular game settigs as well ofc, some games do not handle all that well nonstandard aspect ratios.
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5x DELL 1080p's in portrait

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3x DELL 1080p IPS in portrait + 2x auxiliary 1080p TN screens in landscape above.

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5x DELL IPS portrait + 1080p TN as auxiliary above.
5x1 portrait Eyefinity 3x DELL U2311H 2x DELL U2312HM @5400x1920

Until they come out with monitors with no bezels and good specs I don't see the point in eyefinity setups.
I could see where they would be fun with racing games...but I rarely play those.
    
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