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I forgot to mention I am also interested in this bad boy. I am running surround right now and its about 42" diagonally, and lower resolution. Would be nice as hell to have a screen that size and resolution.

Yeah my portrait surround setup is around 46inches but a lot wider than 16:9. So I'm super interested and will probably get this if the price rumours are true. I will have to sit a few inches closer to it to fill my peripherals because of what I'm used to but it's a small price to pay for a comparable 60hz 4K screen without bezels I guess. The extra million pixels will be nice.

I'll loose exactly half a screen worth of panel area. Which is kind of a lot when you think about it.

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Considering the panel by itself is probably under $500 ( just the panel) I don't see any reason ASUS couldn't do this under $1000 and still be making hefty profit.

I think it mostly comes down to how cheaply they can actually get the panel for.

I honestly hope it's $1000 or around it. Will make the decision much easier to side grade to one... And I don't see why they couldn't sell it for that much and get the panels for that cheap, the Korean and Chinese panels available are proof of that, I'm just not sure if they would. ASUS isn't exactly afraid to slap a large price tag on things.

I there a good comparison out there between VA and IPS panels? I've never had a VA panel but do have IPS panels now.

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Idk perhaps we have different views on what expensive means. To me being able to afford something doesn't make it not expensive. Then again Im talking to someone with an $8,000 rig so maybe I shouldn't be surprised. Totally different tax bracket. tongue.gif

All PC hardware is expensive. But in this segment and in relation to the most expensive GPU setup currently available/what most people assume is required to power 4K (4-Way GTX Titan SLI at $4000) or the panel itself ($1000-1500), saying a 4GB GTX 670/GTX 780 setup (3-Way SLI $1300 and SLI $1300) is expensive in comparion would be silly because it certainly is not.

It's all relative.
    
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Yeah my portrait surround setup is around 46inches but a lot wider than 16:9. So I'm super interested and will probably get this if the price rumours are true. I will have to sit a few inches closer to it to fill my peripherals because of what I'm used to but it's a small price to pay for a comparable 60hz 4K screen without bezels I guess. The extra million pixels will be nice.

I'll loose exactly half a screen worth of panel area. Which is kind of a lot when you think about it.

I think the 7xxx card from AMD had Eyefinity 2.0 where one of the options is to run different screens in eyefinity. The problem, however, is to find a screen where pixel density is about the same as the central screen. So if the catleaps would have comparable pixel density and about the same width or a little more than the 4K has height you could perhaps run that hybrid eyefinity thing. So that your central screen is in landscape at 4K and for peripheral vision you have couple of catleaps in portrait at the sides. At first glance the ppi of 39'' 4K should be in the same ballpark as 27'' 1440p. Probably not exact match tho.

Edit: I should clarify that I have not tried that one myself. I have tried running 24'' and 23'' 1080p in eyefinity and thats not good bcos of different pixel densities.
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From what I've read, VA is inferior to IPS in terms of viewing angles and response times. However, VA is superior when it comes to contrast ratio or black-level performance.

OT: I'm more interested in the $4000 Asus 31.5" 4K IGZO monitor, though. Does anyone here know anything about IGZO displays? I can't find anything.

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VA (39" Asus) viewing angles = 170 degrees horizontal and vertical

IGZO (PQ321) viewing angles = 176 degrees horizontal and vertical

IPS (U3011) viewing angles = 178 degrees horizontal and vertical

PQ321 it is! biggrin.gif
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Interesting, but the 170/170 viewing angle is a bit crappy for such screen. The optimal viewing distance for such pixel density would be approx 80 cm. At 80 cm and at 39'' size I'm not entirely sure if you will get siginificant enough contrast shifts to be annoying. However, as its VA panel it might be cheap enough to gain some popularity. Not familiar with that tech, how does it behave if you are looking at the screen from an angle. Is it like TN where the colors shift into negative (very annoying) or more like IPS where blacks just get more gray with possibily violet hue ?

Edit: Ugh, does not sound that good.
From: http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

170 is just 10 degrees off of a flat line. VA panels tend to have very good viewing angles, it behaves much more like an IPS than a TN. I would take a P/MVA over a TN any day of the week.
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From what I've read, VA is inferior to IPS in terms of viewing angles and response times. However, VA is superior when it comes to contrast ratio or black-level performance.

OT: I'm more interested in the $4000 Asus 31.5" 4K IGZO monitor, though. Does anyone here know anything about IGZO displays? I can't find anything.

Edit:

VA (39" Asus) viewing angles = 170 degrees horizontal and vertical

IGZO (PQ321) viewing angles = 176 degrees horizontal and vertical

IPS (U3011) viewing angles = 178 degrees horizontal and vertical

PQ321 it is! biggrin.gif

I have been a very big IPS buff as I care about color and viewing angles a lot. I have always felt TN panels were crap. Every LCD I have ever baught was IPS (from my very first one which was a 3007-WFP).

Anyway My 50 inch seiki is the first non-IPS display I have received and I am very happy with the colors and viewing angles. If I didn't know better I would have guessed it was an IPS as I was not really all that familiar with VA panels. That being said its very responsive (more so than my catleap) and the blacks are super deep (way more than IPS).

I would have to say I prefer it more than IPS. The only problem I have seen is if its a completely black background and there is white text then and it goes away it takes a while for the white text to go completely to black. Like it gets 95% of the way almost instantly and that last 5% takes a 100 or 200ms (almost like a short lived retention issue) but its barely noticeable and doesn't really bother me one bit.
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I think the 7xxx card from AMD had Eyefinity 2.0 where one of the options is to run different screens in eyefinity. The problem, however, is to find a screen where pixel density is about the same as the central screen. So if the catleaps would have comparable pixel density and about the same width or a little more than the 4K has height you could perhaps run that hybrid eyefinity thing. So that your central screen is in landscape at 4K and for peripheral vision you have couple of catleaps in portrait at the sides. At first glance the ppi of 39'' 4K should be in the same ballpark as 27'' 1440p. Probably not exact match tho.

Edit: I should clarify that I have not tried that one myself. I have tried running 24'' and 23'' 1080p in eyefinity and thats not good bcos of different pixel densities.

That's an interesting idea running two portrait monitors on the side for immersion. Wuld be a big performance hit if it worked. At the end of the day though I think I'll just give the monitor a try and if I don't love it and want a bigger monitor I'll just upgrade to a bigger panel when they become available. I really want 120hz surround but I'm sure once I see a 4K monitor I won't care and just go for a bezeless experience. So sick of playing games and having the menu and UI getting caught behind the bezels and having no idea what half the settings are etc.

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I have been a very big IPS buff as I care about color and viewing angles a lot. I have always felt TN panels were crap. Every LCD I have ever baught was IPS (from my very first one which was a 3007-WFP).

Anyway My 50 inch seiki is the first non-IPS display I have received and I am very happy with the colors and viewing angles. If I didn't know better I would have guessed it was an IPS as I was not really all that familiar with VA panels. That being said its very responsive (more so than my catleap) and the blacks are super deep (way more than IPS).

I would have to say I prefer it more than IPS. The only problem I have seen is if its a completely black background and there is white text then and it goes away it takes a while for the white text to go completely to black. Like it gets 95% of the way almost instantly and that last 5% takes a 100 or 200ms (almost like a short lived retention issue) but its barely noticeable and doesn't really bother me one bit.

Yeah don't think I'm too worried about the VA panel. Only thing I'm interested in is response time and input lag because I'll be using it for FPS gaming. The viewing angle is only 8 degrees less than my current setup so I doubt I'll notice that. The contrast ratio I will enjoy and as long as the colours are comparable and not dramatically inferior like a TN then I'll be alright.

But that's good to know because I really do enjoy my IPS panels.
    
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I find it amazing how companies such as Asus and Samsung are bringing out 4K monitors before experimenting with 120hz 27/30" monitors.
     
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I find it amazing how companies such as Asus and Samsung are bringing out 4K monitors before experimenting with 120hz 27/30" monitors.

I suspect that is bcos their marketing is telling them that "4K" will sell a lot better than 1440p @ 120 Hz. As 4K is pretty fresh thing and you cant exactly "cheat" with a lot (like you can with TV's claiming "600Hz" refresh rate while the input signal is still only 24 / 30 Hz) the buzzword just catches more attention atm.

As far as I understand theres nothing inhenerently hard in doing a 4K screen, you just cut a bigger piece from the substrate and need to come up with suitable control board. Basically any existing LCD panel tech can be used. In theory. In practice I'm pretty sure there is some issues what have caused some of their engineers some pain in the backside.
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I suspect that is bcos their marketing is telling them that "4K" will sell a lot better than 1440p @ 120 Hz. As 4K is pretty fresh thing and you cant exactly "cheat" with a lot (like you can with TV's claiming "600Hz" refresh rate while the input signal is still only 24 / 30 Hz) the buzzword just catches more attention atm.

As far as I understand theres nothing inhenerently hard in doing a 4K screen, you just cut a bigger piece from the substrate and need to come up with suitable control board. Basically any existing LCD panel tech can be used. In theory. In practice I'm pretty sure there is some issues what have caused some of their engineers some pain in the backside.

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4k is a buzz word. 3D died a death and that was 120hz. They dont want to go down that avenue just yet again
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