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First, I don't want to start this thread to trigger a war between AMD and Intel fanboys. I just want to know your opinion about the gaming benchmark of those FX chips because the review shows how the AMD cpus perform really good in gaming especially at 1080p just like Intel cpus. Do you think that there is something wrong with their review or what? Should I trust it? This may affect my decision when purchasing new cpus in the future.

http://www.technic3d.com/review/cpu-s/1534-amd-fx-4350-im-kurztest/6.htm

Are the FX chips are really good in gaming?

yes indeed, as long as you play at around 4.2Ghz or above the GPU starts to matter more than the CPU.
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The FX chips are really good in gaming inasmuch as any modern processor is really good in gaming.

For the majority of games, what CPU you have doesn't really matter. That's why you see so many benchmarks where Intel & AMD CPUs perform the same: the CPU requirements are so low that which one you have is pretty much irrelevant. It's only the (relatively few) games that are dependent on CPU strength that makes Intel CPUs better at gaming than AMD CPUs. If you play Civ 5, or the Total War series, or SC2, or some other CPU-dependent games, THOSE benchmarks (properly done) will show Intel with an advantage.

But for playing CS:GO, it really doesn't matter what CPU you're using.
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I just want to know your opinion about the gaming benchmark of those FX chips because the review shows how the AMD cpus perform really good in gaming especially at 1080p just like Intel cpus. Do you think that there is something wrong with their review or what? Should I trust it?

So yes, you should trust the reviews are providing you with reliable benchmarks. What they AREN'T doing is presenting you with a selection of games being reviewed that can actually show the differences between the CPUs.

And you should NOT assume that just because AMD & Intel CPUs perform the same in some games that it will be the same in all games.
    
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I'm a bit surprised this hasn't been linked to yet actually. Here is an exhaustive test trying to finally settle this debate from AnandTech (updated since Haswell launch). http://anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-at-1440p-adding-in-haswell-

It's interesting and worthwhile to read all of their commentary; I learned a lot. In summary though, if you only game with one or two graphics cards, they end up actually recommending AMD Piledriver based CPUs. They do note though that these fall very short in certain games (Civ 5, StarCraft 2 for example).
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Just to clarify. Representing most games, here is an Anandtech CPU benchmark for Metro 2033, a game that's dependent on the GPU and really doesn't care what CPU you get:



And here's an Anandtech CPU benchmark for SC2, a game that very much cares about what CPU you get, particularly per-core performance:



Most games will be like Metro 2033, where AMD performs the same as Intel. But Intel processors are still better for gaming, because of games like SC2. Where AMD does NOT perform as well. (Which isn't to say bad. Just not as well.)


Edit: I also laugh at most Civ V benchmarks, including the one linked in the post above, because they usually fail to take into account the most important performance measurement the average Civ5 player will care about: the amount of time it takes to process AI moves. Per-core CPU performance is important there, so Intel wins. Which you can't see in an FPS benchmark.

The Anandtech article actually gives pretty bad recommendations for "generic gamers" in my opinion, as it will lead to poor performance in a whole category of games (anything CPU dependent). Performance that can't be made up by reducing graphics quality settings. But whatever. This is why you should always be very specific about what software you're running ("gaming in general" doesn't cut it).
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Just to clarify. Representing most games, here is an Anandtech CPU benchmark for Metro 2033, a game that's dependent on the GPU and really doesn't care what CPU you get:



And here's an Anandtech CPU benchmark for SC2, a game that very much cares about what CPU you get, particularly per-core performance:



Most games will be like Metro 2033, where AMD performs the same as Intel. But Intel processors are still better for gaming, because of games like SC2. Where AMD does NOT perform as well. (Which isn't to say bad. Just not as well.)


Edit: I also laugh at most Civ V benchmarks, including the one linked in the post above, because they usually fail to take into account the most important performance measurement the average Civ5 player will care about: the amount of time it takes to process AI moves. Per-core CPU performance is important there, so Intel wins. Which you can't see in an FPS benchmark.

The Anandtech article actually gives pretty bad recommendations for "generic gamers" in my opinion, as it will lead to poor performance in a whole category of games (anything CPU dependent). Performance that can't be made up by reducing graphics quality settings. But whatever. This is why you should always be very specific about what software you're running ("gaming in general" doesn't cut it).

Just like MisterFred said; you will find that it comes down to resolution, how powerful your graphics cards are, and the game. The resolution makes a difference because everything above 1680x1050 is considered 'higher res' and it is more GPU bound at that point. The power of your graphics card(s) also affects performance as well because if you have a pair of 7970s and an FX-8350; you will see some minor performance loss over an i7 at high res, which is commonly called, "bottlenecking". Some games only care that you have four cores as opposed to two, so automatically you will get similar performance to everything in the four core category. So, it really depends on multiple factors and more importantly your BUDGET.
 
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That's cause you over spent on that 2600K biggrin.gif

My 2500K will do just as good as your 2600K (in gaming) and I paid $180.

Nice try though..

At the time...I finally had the money to buy and build myself a top of the line PC.
I regret nothing.
    
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Do not buy AMD FX-8120 if you are a gamer... has very poor games performance... in StarCraft II on my alt rig with FX-8120 on a small 1v1 map even with a few units I was getting frames less than 30... with i5-3550 that I have on my main rig I get 100 +... just get i5 waaay better.

I don't have problems with Athon not an FX, yes the game runs slow some times on bigger maps, just youtube search for cpu name and starcraft and you'll see.
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Just like MisterFred said; you will find that it comes down to resolution, how powerful your graphics cards are, and the game. The resolution makes a difference because everything above 1680x1050 is considered 'higher res' and it is more GPU bound at that point. The power of your graphics card(s) also affects performance as well because if you have a pair of 7970s and an FX-8350; you will see some minor performance loss over an i7 at high res, which is commonly called, "bottlenecking". Some games only care that you have four cores as opposed to two, so automatically you will get similar performance to everything in the four core category. So, it really depends on multiple factors and more importantly your BUDGET.

Actually, just to clarify ... the reason resolution 'matters' is because the higher your res, the lower your FPS is going to be, because your GPU has to work harder to construct each frame. In turn, the lower your fps, the less work is demanded of your CPU on a per-time-slice basis, and hence the lower the probability that your CPU will become the 'limiting factor' to your performance (i.e. will 'bottleneck' your gpu).

As such, most anything that you do to raise the graphical difficulty level (such as running higher levels of AA) is going to have the same effect as raising the resolution ... IOW, the simplest 'solution' to a CPU 'bottleneck' is to raise the res or image quality, thereby lowering your FPS.

And if you still can't remove the BN even by maxing out the game, there's always downsampling thumb.gif
    
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