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We already have a Hydrogen fusion reactor underway no need for this actually.
Besides it is better to have a working proven theory than something that has failed to be viable multiple times before wink.gif
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We already have a Hydrogen fusion reactor underway no need for this actually.
Besides it is better to have a working proven theory than something that has failed to be viable multiple times before wink.gif

And just how do you think you get a "working proven theory"?

By failing multiple times on your way there.
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We already have a Hydrogen fusion reactor underway no need for this actually.
Besides it is better to have a working proven theory than something that has failed to be viable multiple times before wink.gif

We've had fustion reactors for over a decade... but they are useless for power generation without NET POSITIVE ENERGY.
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And just how do you think you get a "working proven theory"?

By failing multiple times on your way there.
Well cold fusion requires more energy than it produces and in comparison to hydrogen fusion a scaleup won't help it.
So unless you were to get the presure and the heat out of nowhere it is just a infin energy myth.
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We've had fustion reactors for over a decade... but they are useless for power generation without NET POSITIVE ENERGY.
True tokmakak based reactors I was just pointing out that they're building a scaledup one.
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We've had fustion reactors for over a decade... but they are useless for power generation without NET POSITIVE ENERGY.

bingo, I was going to write a long thing but someone else said it better so I am copy and pasting.

the below quote is basically everything I would have said plus some other things I forgot to mention.
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The Oil Companies have been selling their Oil Fields for the past two years, since Rossi first demonstrated the his warm E-Cat, the one before the one in this test called the E-Cat HT or High Temperature, the Warm E-Cat produced heating to ~150 degrees centigrade and a customer took delivery of the first 1 Mw research version at the end of last month, it is currently being shipped by the customer to the US.

Do a Google Searches:
“Oil Field” Divest
“Oil Field” Sell
You will find a vast strategic shifts in the oil companies position like these:
Shell has been on a massive divestment strategy on its oil field assets, from Africa to the Far East for the last 12 months, or since Rossi did his first demonstration this time last year.
http://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/news/newsshell-divests-stake-nigerian-oil-asset

Other Fossil Fuel companies on a divestment strategy are BP who are selling their stakes in fields in the North Sea, Russia, the Arctic and the Gulf to name but a few and not even batting an eyelid about being refused license to buy future assets in the Gulf.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20527045

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7081129

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7080956

http://indrus.in/articles/2012/11/29/rosneft_and_bp_to_develop_new_arctic_oil_fields_19411.html

Connoco
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/conocophillips-to-sell-5-bln-stake-off-kazakhstan-to-incur-400-mln-q4-charge-20121126-00448

Exxon
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/09/iraqi-official-says-exxon-mobil-is-trying-to-sell-stake-in-major-oil-field-by/

http://www.newsystocks.com/News/4108444/Weak-Demand-Outlook-Forces-Exxon-Mobil–XOM–to-Sell-Its-Japanese-Unit

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-iraq-exxon-idUSBRE8A60Y420121107

Even the pipeline parts and refinery companies are joining the rush to divest the fossil fuel business.
http://dcnonl.com/nw/32627/cb

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323830404578145611979409082.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Do a Google search for any oil company and the phrase “Oil field” and the words divest or sell.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/536428

Some are trying to cover their strategy and the risk by divesting half of the asset others are just cashing in their chips.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/03/25/us-conoco-lukoil-idINTRE62N43M20100325

This year has been an Oil Field Night of the Long Knives as all the major players have been dumping these soon to be seriously downgraded assets.

The price per barrel dropped 20+ dollars since May.

I expect the real drop to be when the 60 day and 30 Day options on the price per barrel get shorted when the Rossi announcement is about to be made. I expect the price per barrel will drop below 70. Then it will resurge as people realise LENR will not happen overnight. Then Oil and other fossil fuels will go into a long decline with investors on a business decline strategy making money out of the asset stripping and running the oil fields into the ground. Natural Gas will be the longest lived of the Fossil Fuel assets.

Coal might die out out in as little a year and a half as converting coal power plants to use Rossi’s Hot Cat or other LENR tech will be very easy. Oil will be next. Converting all power plants could take a 5 to 7 years but the fact that President Obama changed the Law to allow Combined Heat and Power means that many plants will end up being scrapped before they can convert, as faster cheaper more nimble competitors will create power plants on customers door steps, that provide power at a tenth but theoretically at up to one thousandth of the cost.

All these oil company moves are disguised with explanations like we are buying US Shale Oil instead, yet an examination of US total discovered Oil reserves shows it accounts for less than 1% of the worlds oil, more importantly most of the so called buying is not buying it options to buy 6 months or more from now. All they have done is put a deposit down often as not not even that just a promise to buy if the price of oil remains high enough.

The other big excuse is we are going to use all the money we got from the sales in order to go exploring for new reserves. In other words 10 people in an office will spend a couple of million pondering some maps while the billions from the sale of the worlds Oil Fields remain safe in the bank.

For that is where all that money is now deposited in the bank.

Putting money in the bank like that, and in the case of just BP alone it is over 30 billion at last count, is called Building a War Chest. The others like Shell have far bigger war chests.

So what are the banks doing now that they are awash with money? Well they are building a huge Short position against oil:
http://oilprice.com/Finance/investing-and-trading-reports/Why-Are-the-Big-Financial-Institutions-Selling-Oil-BIG.html

And what of Nuclear? And Green Energy well the Nuclear companies have stopped building and will not restart unless a government covers all the costs. The fact that Siemens have have dropped not just all their Nuclear Power plants but also all their attached industries should give you a clue

As for Green Energy Siemens also sold all of their green power industries assets where they were a world leader, including a multi billion dollar project to place their solar cell technology in the Sahara to provide electricity to Europe that they just cancelled like it was nothing despite millions already invested; and that they then went and bought a small marine heat and power plant company in Italy linked to Rossi originally worth a few million but Siemens put in a bid for it of 1.5 billion dollars and were outbid!

Since then Siemens and GE have been on a CHP manufacturing company buying spree. Use Google you will see it is so.

That STMicroelectronics a leader in mobile phone electronics and former owners of Ericsson mobile did a replication of another LENR researcher Celini’s experiment have dropped all that mobile phone technology to manufacture electronics for, would guess, combined heat and power plant?

I could go on filling this thread with masses more evidence, how about the SEC being refused financial data from all the big oil companies, and how about the White House rumours of a secret meeting with Utility company Execs on the 8th of May where they were so incensed that the words they used were ones that cannot be entered in White House Minutes or the later meeting with the rest of the of the power company execs where the White House explained that Federal Government would be going Off Grid, the glum faces at that meeting are a sight to behold, though President is trying to keep straight face.

Buckle in people it is about to get real bumpy!
 
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I've been following this since the beginning, just like the carbon monoxide to gas converting bacteria guys, it will be absolutely amazing if everything checks out.
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I've been following this since the beginning, just like the carbon monoxide to gas converting bacteria guys, it will be absolutely amazing if everything checks out.


Yes I believe Rossi has been touting this since 2011 or so maybe late 2010. A lot of people think it's a scam. Rossi doesn't seem to think so and claims his secrecy is because of fear of being murdered. So much so that if some "accident" happens to him he has several people with the formula for the reaction and the instructions on how to build the device to release it open source to the world via the internet.

Part of me is hoping something bad happens to Rossi just to see that happen.
 
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Yes I believe Rossi has been touting this since 2011 or so maybe late 2010. A lot of people think it's a scam. Rossi doesn't seem to think so and claims his secrecy is because of fear of being murdered. So much so that if some "accident" happens to him he has several people with the formula for the reaction and the instructions on how to build the device to release it open source to the world via the internet.

Part of me is hoping something bad happens to Rossi just to see that happen.

I have been following Rossi for years and I gotta say I have been skeptical this entire time. I think within 2 years we will have our answer. He wants to be able to scale this tech as soon as he has it individually tested because he doesn't trust the patent system (with good reason). I just really can't believe a system like this until I see it in action for real.
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I have been following Rossi for years and I gotta say I have been skeptical this entire time. I think within 2 years we will have our answer. He wants to be able to scale this tech as soon as he has it individually tested because he doesn't trust the patent system (with good reason). I just really can't believe a system like this until I see it in action for real.


He's also been behind some other stuff that didn't turn out to do so well so your skepticism is absolutely valid.


What gives me a little confidence in this report is one of the scientists that did the independent test is Hanno Essén, who was the chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society. I think he would call malarkey or refuse to have his name attached to the paper if he thought something fishy was going on. The guy does have his PhD from Oxford, then again, better scientists have been fooled before.
 
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