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Though it should be pointed that nickle is very close to iron on the periodic table...and iron is what kills stars. Once the core of star does fusion reactions up to iron the reaction gets out of balance and it goes super nova...well that it most commonly believed theory anyway.

But here we are doing fusion in a small tube with nickle that actually has a greater atomic mass than iron when even a massive star can't do it with iron? I hope I am missing some property about nickle fusing with hydrogen. I know we use nickle and hydrogen batteries all the time. So you'd think that chemical and nuclear reactions would be well researched. However, I am no expert on it...I just took a few chemistry classes in college. Any one in the thread that is an actual chemist or a "radical engineer"?

I think I am even more skeptic now...and was actually getting a spark of hope that I might see cold fusion in my life time.

Just an onlookers perception, but aren't neutron stars cooler, and probably more dense than iron? Just my 2cents.gif

If they are still iron then wouldn't Nickel fuse at an even lower temp than a neutron star?
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Just an onlookers perception, but aren't neutron stars cooler, and probably more dense than iron? Just my 2cents.gif

If they are still iron then wouldn't Nickel fuse at an even lower temp than a neutron star?

It has nothing to do with the star's density...once you've fused your way to where all you have left is iron it takes too much energy to fuse iron with something; even for a giant star. So the internal reaction that is keeping the core stable stops and causes it to explode. Now Ni is not Fe, but they are very close and nickel is actually a larger atom so it will take more energy to fuse. That is why we've typically been trying to do fusion with things like Tritium which is a hydrogen atom with two neutrons slamed in it. It would have an atomic weight of 3 while nickel would be 58 I think...I'd need to look it up, but it is 58-60 some where in there. I know iron is 56 (55.85 is what we used in class, heh, don't ask me how I can remember that and not all sorts of other more important stuff).

Unless the nickel is just being used like a catalyst or something and the hydrogen in the tube is doing all the fusion reactions. That could be part of the trick. They are forcing the hydrogen to fuse by loosing energy, but at the same time heating up the nickel...nickel is pretty good at holding heat. To a thermal camera it might look like more energy is going out than in if they started it up and let the nickel absorb a bunch and then started measuring.
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It has nothing to do with the star's density...once you've fused your way to where all you have left is iron it takes too much energy to fuse iron with something; even for a giant star. So the internal reaction that is keeping the core stable stops and causes it to explode. Now Ni is not Fe, but they are very close and nickel is actually a larger atom so it will take more energy to fuse. That is why we've typically been trying to do fusion with things like Tritium which is a hydrogen atom with two neutrons slamed in it. It would have an atomic weight of 3 while nickel would be 58 I think...I'd need to look it up, but it is 58-60 some where in there. I know iron is 56 (55.85 is what we used in class, heh, don't ask me how I can remember that and not all sorts of other more important stuff).

Unless the nickel is just being used like a catalyst or something and the hydrogen in the tube is doing all the fusion reactions. That could be part of the trick. They are forcing the hydrogen to fuse by loosing energy, but at the same time heating up the nickel...nickel is pretty good at holding heat. To a thermal camera it might look like more energy is going out than in if they started it up and let the nickel absorb a bunch and then started measuring.

I agree with this part.
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Wow I remember this from two years ago.... had forgotten about it. The next 10-15 years are going to be an extraordinary time for technology.
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Start buying Nickel stock before it goes through the roof!

I remember hearing about this when I was in school, my professor, (most certainly a conspiracy theorist). showed us the 2 part video on youtube. I have to admit, watching the videos seemed pretty convincing, the general knowledge I have of the atomic world / cold fusion process seemed to me logical, (at the same time I also thought how come we haven't figured this out yet!). but I honestly thought it was going to be bought out, or thrown under the rug by some big corporation, or government. - in retrospect my professor had a persuasive argument regarding that.

It's good to hear Professor Rossi has submitted it for peer review, I think we can finally find out for certain, this is either for real, or some atomic wizardary to baffle the masses.

in any case the world will either be taking the next step in terms of technological advancement, or it stay in our current state, and say, "well nice try." smile.gif
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Unless the nickel is just being used like a catalyst or something and the hydrogen in the tube is doing all the fusion reactions. That could be part of the trick. They are forcing the hydrogen to fuse by loosing energy, but at the same time heating up the nickel...nickel is pretty good at holding heat. To a thermal camera it might look like more energy is going out than in if they started it up and let the nickel absorb a bunch and then started measuring.
If the supposed product is copper, it would result from fusion of a proton (H atom) with a nickel nuclei, and the arXiv paper mentions that the reaction is carried out with hydrogen gas, nickel, and a "catalyst, which is kept as an industrial trade secret." This would suggest the catalyst is not nickel. In any case, that aroc91 posted has a good explanation on the isotopic ratios of the supposed nuclear products from the experiments a couple of years ago and why the provided copper could not have come from fusion. Combine that with the other issues mentioned in the scienceblogs article (there are some big red flags) and the fact that the arXiv paper is not peer-reviewed makes me skeptic. This is not independent verification.
Edited by Wavefunction - 6/5/13 at 11:10am
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Start buying Nickel stock before it goes through the roof!

I remember hearing about this when I was in school, my professor, (most certainly a conspiracy theorist). showed us the 2 part video on youtube. I have to admit, watching the videos seemed pretty convincing, the general knowledge I have of the atomic world / cold fusion process seemed to me logical, (at the same time I also thought how come we haven't figured this out yet!). but I honestly thought it was going to be bought out, or thrown under the rug by some big corporation, or government. - in retrospect my professor had a persuasive argument regarding that.

It's good to hear Professor Rossi has submitted it for peer review, I think we can finally find out for certain, this is either for real, or some atomic wizardary to baffle the masses.

in any case the world will either be taking the next step in terms of technological advancement, or it stay in our current state, and say, "well nice try." smile.gif

We have built fully function thorium nuclear reactors, I don't see any in service. and thorium is abundant and it can be used to consume other nuclear waste.
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We have built fully function thorium nuclear reactors, I don't see any in service. and thorium is abundant and it can be used to consume other nuclear waste.

And here i thought Thorium was just a metal in WoW!
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After reading: New Energy Times he sounds like a very skilled con-man
wouldn't get your hopes up
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