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Ram looks cool but I won't bite on it for my haswell system. Had to RMA two ram kits from corsair and a h100.. no other rma's in anything else in my system for 3 years.
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It does 2133MHz with 10-10-10-1T timing and a little extra juice, but that's about it –still trying to get it past the 2133 MHz marker.

That's really disappointing then. They're charging a premium for the name and the heatspreader. If I'm dropping that much on RAM, it'd better overclock better than one standard speed higher with extra voltage.
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Cool but want to see a LP refresh.
    
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Maybe because air coolers are for people on budget, or those who are too stupid to spend nearly as much as they do on an air cooler as they do on a CLC

That wasn't needed....at all
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Looks good, but i still prefer the looks and performance of Ripjaws X and Kingston hyperX beast.

well, with looks each has his own taste adn this is why the introduction of this RAM is a good thing (aesthetically wise) because it gives the consumer more options for a unique look.
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Exactly. They deliberately design them with the obscenely and pointlessly tall heatspreaders to try and force people toward their CLCs. Between the heatspreaders and the mediocre ICs on most of the Vengeance line up, I refuse to recommend Vengeance RAM unless you can find the LP sets for less than some nice G.Skill or Mushkin kits.

And holy cow is that RAM obscenely overpriced. $80 for 1600MHz CL9? The price jumps from 1600MHz to 1866MHz and 2133MHz is more reasonable, but the RAM is still obscenely overpriced. I'm getting tired of Corsair charging such massive premiums for nothing. Unless these are awesome ICs that OC like gangbusters, it's not worth it. At least it looks like they're not trying to build Link support into them like they are almost everything else. And don't take this as Corsair bashing. They have some fantastic products, I'm just getting tired of the obscene mark ups. The small mark ups on Corsair products used to be worth it, not so much any more.


well, i agree that pushing CLC isn't the best but sometimes it's hard to blame. (i guess that they do this because of the rising competition in the CLC market and by making more people be interested in CLC's then more people might buy their CLC's)

on RAM price, Corsair isn't the only one to blame here. Recently RAM prices went up because of lower stock so a part of the price of Vengeance Pro kits is related to that. (and the other part is obviously the naming and cooler)

but the sad truth is that Corsair overprices because they know they can. Corsair is slowly becomes an ASUS of the market (which is almost The Apple of the Motherboard and GPU industry) and they know that Enthusiasts like us will pay more for not only "Corsair" name but for aesthetics so they just prepare the shovel to collect the money. But their case section is still great but sometimes slightly overpriced.
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well, i agree that pushing CLC isn't the best but sometimes it's hard to blame. (i guess that they do this because of the rising competition in the CLC market and by making more people be interested in CLC's then more people might buy their CLC's)

on RAM price, Corsair isn't the only one to blame here. Recently RAM prices went up because of lower stock so a part of the price of Vengeance Pro kits is related to that. (and the other part is obviously the naming and cooler)

but the sad truth is that Corsair overprices because they know they can. Corsair is slowly becomes an ASUS of the market (which is almost The Apple of the Motherboard and GPU industry) and they know that Enthusiasts like us will pay more for not only "Corsair" name but for aesthetics so they just prepare the shovel to collect the money. But their case section is still great but sometimes slightly overpriced.

It's not hard to blame, but deliberately designing your products so as to try and force people to use another one of your products is. The H110 is another great example of that with the less common radiator screw distance.

RAM prices have gone up because the market isn't flooded with chips anymore, but they're charging, what, $30-40 more than their competition? And that RAM isn't coming with a better IC or warranty than the competition, it's not coming guaranteed to overclock better than the competition, all it's coming with is a ridiculously tall heatspreader that does nothing (and doesn't even look good to me) and a higher price tag because they slapped the word "Pro" on the end of the product.

Don't get me wrong, Corsair sells a lot of good products. For the most part, they make sure that they're putting out something quality. My problem is with deliberately designing something to try and force someone into buying another one of your products. I also take issue with the massive premium they charge on mediocre products and charging premiums for stuff that should already be included (the Dominator Platinum colored light bar kit is a perfect example). Like you said, they have some great cases, but most are overpriced. The same goes for their RAM and their PSUs. Corsair used to be in a position where their small price premiums were justified. Now they're surround by oftentimes better and cheaper competition and charge even greater premiums. This RAM is just the latest example of them abusing the trust consumers have in their name by charging them more for something that's not any more of a premium or better binned product.
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It's not hard to blame, but deliberately designing your products so as to try and force people to use another one of your products is. The H110 is another great example of that with the less common radiator screw distance.

RAM prices have gone up because the market isn't flooded with chips anymore, but they're charging, what, $30-40 more than their competition? And that RAM isn't coming with a better IC or warranty than the competition, it's not coming guaranteed to overclock better than the competition, all it's coming with is a ridiculously tall heatspreader that does nothing (and doesn't even look good to me) and a higher price tag because they slapped the word "Pro" on the end of the product.

Don't get me wrong, Corsair sells a lot of good products. For the most part, they make sure that they're putting out something quality. My problem is with deliberately designing something to try and force someone into buying another one of your products. I also take issue with the massive premium they charge on mediocre products and charging premiums for stuff that should already be included (the Dominator Platinum colored light bar kit is a perfect example). Like you said, they have some great cases, but most are overpriced. The same goes for their RAM and their PSUs. Corsair used to be in a position where their small price premiums were justified. Now they're surround by oftentimes better and cheaper competition and charge even greater premiums. This RAM is just the latest example of them abusing the trust consumers have in their name by charging them more for something that's not any more of a premium or better binned product.

i agree with you. just a few points:
-it could be argued that sapcings for 140mm rads was still controversial at the H110 release. (i.e. 15mm vs 20mm)
-after comparing visually the Platinums with the Vengeance Pro's it looks like the pros are quite shorter than the platinums so it could be said that Corsair wanted to have a kit which is shorter than the platinums and improves the looks of the vengeance (in their taste). Heck, these are even shorter than the original Dominators (which are the platinums minus the metal bar). yes, the platinums shot for CLC obviously but i guess it was more of showing of your RAM than limiting you.
- Some GSKILL kits (like the Ripjaws and ripjaws X) could be considered tall too and their heat spreaders are also as pointless as Corsair's. (just saying)
- i still agree that they overprice sometimes their cases and especially PSUs. (which is more obvious overseas where the tax makes a bigger difference). but i guess that by higher prices they are trying to create a better brand name (cough Nvidia, ASUS cough) and it is kinda working.

-i know it is a bit pointless to mention, but untill we see some reviews / user reviews we can't completely judge the OC ability of the RAM.


p.s. i actually consider this one merely for the aesthetics which for me are pleasing (like the colors feel more of an accent than full blown into your face color which is nice) but will see my local prices...
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Looks cool but is overpriced.
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i agree with you. just a few points:
-it could be argued that sapcings for 140mm rads was still controversial at the H110 release. (i.e. 15mm vs 20mm)
-after comparing visually the Platinums with the Vengeance Pro's it looks like the pros are quite shorter than the platinums so it could be said that Corsair wanted to have a kit which is shorter than the platinums and improves the looks of the vengeance (in their taste). Heck, these are even shorter than the original Dominators (which are the platinums minus the metal bar). yes, the platinums shot for CLC obviously but i guess it was more of showing of your RAM than limiting you.
- Some GSKILL kits (like the Ripjaws and ripjaws X) could be considered tall too and their heat spreaders are also as pointless as Corsair's. (just saying)
- i still agree that they overprice sometimes their cases and especially PSUs. (which is more obvious overseas where the tax makes a bigger difference). but i guess that by higher prices they are trying to create a better brand name (cough Nvidia, ASUS cough) and it is kinda working.

-i know it is a bit pointless to mention, but untill we see some reviews / user reviews we can't completely judge the OC ability of the RAM.


p.s. i actually consider this one merely for the aesthetics which for me are pleasing (like the colors feel more of an accent than full blown into your face color which is nice) but will see my local prices...

- The rads were pretty much well established at the time of the release. Very few players used the less standard spacing.

- They may be shorter than the Dominator Platinums, but they still appear to be as tall as the standard Vengeance RAM that doesn't fit under heatsinks, forcing you to use a CLC with them or find a mobo and heatsink combination where the RAM slots are far enough away and the heatsink is narrow enough so as to not cause any issues.

- Wouldn't disagree with that point about Ripjaws X at all; however, unlike Vengeance RAM, they do fit under every worthwhile heatsink I know of.

- You can price high, but when you're pricing higher than Seasonic, XFX, and other brands that use identical or nearly identical components and have identical or nearly identical warranties, charging a premium is an abuse of the trust the market has in you. Sure, you can say it's to try and make the brand appear more premium, but people already know Seasonic is premium, so why would you price higher than them? That just makes no sense.

- It is, but if the they are using the IC mentioned in the thread, you can already surmise that the OCing ability will be marginal at best.

Aesthetics are personal, so I won't say anything about that. Like I said, I'm just tired of Corsair charging a premium while not selling something markedly better than the competition. People have put Corsair on this silver platter where they can do no wrong and Corsair takes advantage of that. It's wrong and I'm sick of people telling Corsair it's okay, bending over for them, and so few people calling them out on it.
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Unfortunately the last time I used Corsair memory they were defective out of the box, had a second set to replace that set sent to me, defective. Add onto that the number of issues I have seen with their AIO loops....It just seems that QC has fallen a little at Corsair.

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Maybe because air coolers are for people on budget, or those who are too stupid to spend nearly as much as they do on an air cooler as they do on a CLC

Interesting outlook...here is how it really is for most....

CLC are for people who don't know enough to build their own custom water loop, instead going the 'cheap' route. It is the lazy way of liquid cooling, which I suppose there isn't anything wrong with that, as it seems to be effective, until the unit leaks or fails.

There is also one huge disadvantage to water cooling that isn't often spoken of, and I am not talking leaks. It is the situation that arises if you have a pump fail on you, your system is now down until you can replace that pump. Most people don't have extra pumps laying around, so you have to order one and wait. Even if you do have an extra, you now have to drain (or in the least bleed) a loop again, and do another leak test.

With air cooling, you don't have that issue. Have a fan on your air cooler go out on you? Not a big deal, swap out the fan. Most people have an extra fan, or can go into town and buy one. Very few places allow you to walk into them a buy a new water cooling pump.

So, for myself, the reason I went back to Air, buying a Notcua, was the lack of downtime. My pump failed on me with the water loop, and it sucked, I didn't want to be without my rig for long. With that in mind I had two options, buy a new pump and pay ~$40 for overnight shipping on top of the cost of a new one, or go back to air with a super high performing air cooler.
    
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