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I spoke about this a lot in the C70 owners forum thread here http://www.overclock.net/t/1270969/official-corsair-vengeance-c70-gaming-case-owner-club/3780

But I am starting a new thread here as to stop hijacking...

Ok....

Corsair C70 Vengeance Case
8G's of Vengeance RAM
Gigabyte FM2-A85X-UP4 Motherboard
A10-5800K chip (stock heatsink on at the moment)
Also have a GeminII S524 Heatsink
Rosewill PSU 550W M (RMA in progress) using my old Thermaltake TR2 for now (430W)
two case fans, plus two AF120 fans. (currently those two are side intake and two case are rear and top exhaust) No front or bottom intake
Case is in open air in direct flow of window unit AC that is blowing about ten feet from it

I start up my computer and my idle temps range from 35C to 50C across programs like Speccy, SpeedFan, CoreTemp, AIDA64, BIOS, and Hardware Monitor. I can see my system throttle back after reaching the TJmax in CoreTemp, voltage, speed ,etc...

My question to you all is, I have tried the stock AND the aftermarket heatsink, same temps,
Different fan locations, same temps
Arctic Silver and Cooler master thermal paste, different applications, too much, too little, pea size, rice size, spread, no spread, etc.

I've tried my heatsink in two or three different directions, and all the fans are spooling up...

I'm not overclocking this machine at all, everything in BIOS is at its defaults, the HDD and optical drive are from another build, with windows 8 professional.

My system is not hanging up, freezing, shutting down or any of that, and the heatsink is cool, SOMETIMES barely warm to the touch even when it says 90C on all the programs.

I'm waiting on an RMA for the PSU, considering RMA'ing the motherboard and CPU, but I'm not sure that they are defective. Maybe the cooler is defective, hell I don't know. I just know this is my very first build, low budget, and I'm trying to keep it alive, healthy, and cheap.

Here are some pictures with Prime 95 running and different monitoring programs as well as my current PC's location and the location of the AC. I opted for the side intake because they are RIGHT in the airflow of the AC and going right onto the heatsink....Logic says that would make it cooler, but it didn't, not one bit.










Edited by MusicMelody - 6/4/13 at 12:18pm
post #2 of 29
I have the same case, and in my experience it isn't the best cooling case in the world. I'm not sure why, it sure seems like it would be. But based on your post you've got something else going on besides a problem with the cooling in your case.

It sounds like you've already done some structured problem solving and tried about everything that I would too. I would suspect that it is an issue with your CPU. That would be the first thing on my list.

Maybe the IHS isn't making good contact with the cores, or maybe the silicon is just plain faulty.
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I would say that first thing to do is reseat the HSF and try using less thermal Paste. Almost everyone uses too muc, wwhichccan be just as bad as not enough. Basically, you want to have enough that it, when the heatsinks applied, forms a circle whose diameter is the same or slightly less than the length of the IHS, and it should not actually make it all the way to the corners. Think BB size, not rice grain.

The next thing would be to try to move fans around the case, try as many configurations as you can, and use whatever performs best. Slightlymmore intake than exhaust is ideal. In your case, I'd go 3x intake and a single exhaust. I am thinking that front, side, and rear intake with a single top Exhaust (rear most top) would be best.

Also, when you mount the heatsink, be sure to apply pressure as evenly as humanly possible.
   
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post #4 of 29
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Will do that nleksan, have results tomm, I have been doing pea size and the circle is there, about a quarter size or smaller.....I have a little left in both the Arctic silver and cooler master, any stores i can go to locally to get more paste? Don't live near a microcenter. And any way to test the IHS theory? on the processor?
post #5 of 29
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Moved around the fan config to what you said, remounted heatsink in a number of dfferent ways, still same temps....I got to thinking and if my heatsink or cpu was not level and smooth on the metal finish that could cause it. Should I RMA the CPU, or lap it, or what?
post #6 of 29
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Okay after running prime 95 and furmrk for about twenty minutes the system peaked at 74C and stayed around 74/76C sometimes dropping to 71C etc. This was with Prime95, FurMark Burn-In running, internet tabs open while I'm posting on here.....does that sound good? Aftermark heatsink this time with arctic silver on heatsink. Going by CoreTemp and Aida64...I looked at HW Monitor too and it looked to be a few degrees warmer.
Edited by MusicMelody - 6/5/13 at 7:54am
post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a10-5800k_10.html

and

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=725006

both talk about the temps, and one post speaking that the HWMonitor is not updated for the FM2 cores yet. The EasyTune software that came with my Motherboard has me idling at 14C with aftermarket heatsink and in direct line of the AC and loading around 58C....does that sound about accurate?
post #8 of 29
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ANother post I found

http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=164815.0

Goes into detail about how HWMonitor's pckage temp for the APU's is usually wrong, and the TMPIN0 is the CPU temp?

I was just playing Duke Nukem 3d, Maxed settings full resolution, 1080p and my tems were around 60C after an hour of play according to CoreTemp.
post #9 of 29
Those are perfectly acceptable temps, given the fact that AS5 is not one of the better thermal pastes anymore. I personally recommend Prolimatech PK1 or PK3, which should be able to knock anywhere from 3 to 8C off your current temps. Also, unlike AS5 there is no "200hr cure time".

Many people will say "no get CLU/CLP", but I have never seen them give more than a 1C drop over PK1 or PK3, which is within the margin of error.

I would hold off on any lapping until you at the very least upgrade to a better thermal Paste. If PK1 or PK3 can't drop temps over AS5 or CM paste, then it's something with the mount/contact.
   
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Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
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post #10 of 29
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Okay, Did you read into any of the links? Core temp right now has my cores at 0C and AIDA64 has the same for its core readins, but the AIDA64 CPU temp is at 20C, under load core temp jumps to around 50 to 70 like above, as does AIDA, upon typing this it is cylcing between 10 and 18C, aftermarket heatsink, two side fans pulling in air from AC.
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