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Well, a lot of low threaded stuff would run 1.5x as fast on a 4670k. A few niche programs, maybe more than that. If they truly don't take advantage of many threads, a 4930k (ivy bridge) would perform worse than a 4670k (haswell) slightly, while costing a lot lot lot more. There's also no need for hyperthreading (4770k over 4670k) unless you want the ~10-30% performance gain in applications that can be split well across significantly more than four threads
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Well, a lot of low threaded stuff would run 1.5x as fast on a 4670k. A few niche programs, maybe more than that. If they truly don't take advantage of many threads, a 4930k (ivy bridge) would perform worse than a 4670k (haswell) slightly, while costing a lot lot lot more. There's also no need for hyperthreading (4770k over 4670k) unless you want the ~10-30% performance gain in applications that can be split well across significantly more than four threads

Isn't the ivy a good oc'er though? From what I understand, it would be fairly easy to make up for the slightly weaker core.

Yea, I want the performance, even if I rarely take advantage of it. I do on occasion fiddle around in Photoshop, lite video editing, and things like that.

I mean, the 4770k isn't really an issue, spending the $600ish isn't a *concern (I feel good spending in that area for a upgrade). It's the $800 I'd of been looking at for the 4930k that is getting outside of my comfort zone, for a upgrade.

But yea, I'm just going to stick to the 4770k. It will be a fine CPU for what I need, and, for things I don't always need. The 4930k would simply be so I felt better looking at my CPU usage, and felt more prepared for things wanting more core later. Though, chances are, I'd want to upgrade by then anyway.


*Not a concern as in I've already descused spending that amount with my wife, and won't get in trouble for spending it tongue.gif
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Ivy-E processors are horrible overclockers. Stick to a 4670K/4770K. Delid and if you don't already have a decent cooler, get something like a Hyper 212 EVO as they are pretty good up to 1.35 volts and even higher with better fans. Asus Maximus VI Hero is a very good choice and so is MSI GD65, Gigabyte makes decent boards too but I'm Biased toward ASUS so I'd go with them.

You won't need anything higher than a 4670K to play games, even demanding ones like Crysis 3 or Battlefield 4 so if more than 80% of what you do is just gaming, then save your money and get the i5. Don't buy into the hexa core hype, it's no better in gaming over a current gen i5.
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Ivy-E processors are horrible overclockers. Stick to a 4670K/4770K. Delid and if you don't already have a decent cooler, get something like a Hyper 212 EVO as they are pretty good up to 1.35 volts and even higher with better fans. Asus Maximus VI Hero is a very good choice and so is MSI GD65, Gigabyte makes decent boards too but I'm Biased toward ASUS so I'd go with them.

You won't need anything higher than a 4670K to play games, even demanding ones like Crysis 3 or Battlefield 4 so if more than 80% of what you do is just gaming, then save your money and get the i5. Don't buy into the hexa core hype, it's no better in gaming over a current gen i5.


Ok thanks.

I've got a H100i for cooling, so I'll be good enough there. I have a 212 evo, that I now use on my ol'ladys rig, works great for the fx6300

Yea, that was the mobo I was looking at. It seems to come highly recommended. I'm 90% likely to get it.

I'm going to stick to the i7. I want the best total system performance I can get (with in reason). I'd say the extra $100 bucks is worth peace of mind. No point in saving $100, if I feel like I'm missing out you know, even if that isn't the truth.

Thanks for the advice. I'm going i7-4770k and most likely Asus Maximus VI Hero (will match my GPU). I can't wait!
     
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There's no way that you can clock a 4930k significantly higher than a 4670k on a h100i. Average 4670k will do 4.6-4.7 with safe volts, you can't routinely clock 4930k's to multi's over 5ghz on a closed loop cooler. I'm not actually sure what to expect from them, but if somebody told me they'd checked a bunch of results and they clocked to like 4.5-4.6 on a h100i/equivelant for most people, i'd believe it. Ivy was a liitle easier than haswell at higher clocks, maybe like 100mhz higher clocks achievable (maybe) but lga2011 cpu with different die and 2 extra cores is not really the same thing at all
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Cool, yea, I didn't think I'd get a major OC with my current cooling. I'm hoping for around 4.5 (maybe 4.2 - 4.3, I like to cut it back some). However, considering at stock, the i7-4770k beats my OC'ed 8320, I should be good with whatever I can get. biggrin.gif
     
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Well, a lot of low threaded stuff would run 1.5x as fast on a 4670k. A few niche programs, maybe more than that. If they truly don't take advantage of many threads, a 4930k (ivy bridge) would perform worse than a 4670k (haswell) slightly, while costing a lot lot lot more. There's also no need for hyperthreading (4770k over 4670k) unless you want the ~10-30% performance gain in applications that can be split well across significantly more than four threads


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Ivybridge ran a lot cooler than Haswell. Like 10-15* cooler for the same vcore. I used to run my 3770K at 1.4v and it was cooler than my 4770K at 1.25v. It makes you a bit cavalier with volts though.
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Ivybridge ran a lot cooler than Haswell. Like 10-15* cooler for the same vcore. I used to run my 3770K at 1.4v and it was cooler than my 4770K at 1.25v. It makes you a bit cavalier with volts though.

Depends wildly on the test used.. full load on one test to another can be 50c gap on 4770k
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Depends wildly on the test used.. full load on one test to another can be 50c gap on 4770k

Prime 27.9 for both in this example.
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