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Can anyone suggest a good place to buy the liquid ultra / pro from?
Prefferably somewhere that accepts paypal and can express ship to Australia smile.gif

Performance PC's should do that: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php
post #212 of 1134
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Performance PC's should do that: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php

Cheers mate smile.gif

Now to decide between the pro or ultra lol.
Shipping is going to be about $40 for one tube so I better get it right redface.gif

Might take my cpu to work and delid it tomorrow and try out either the nocuta paste or the mx-4 i have on hand for now and order some good stuff in the next day or two once I've had more time to read up on the pro's/cons of each.
Was reading about having to polish for an hour to get the bloody stuff off if you remove the cpu (which I will probably sell mine soon in hopes of a better clocker lol)

Currently testing 4.5 at 1.3V :'( ~90'C spikes, avg 73'C on air...

edit:

decided on the pro after watching both installation videos.
ultra just seemed too liquidy considering all the surface mount **** next to the die on haswell.
Should be here during the week thumb.gif
Edited by self_slaughter - 6/9/13 at 6:31am
post #213 of 1134
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I wouldn't go with 'putting your hand on the cooler' philosophy, but the answer to your question is both.
Well, my GTX 480s blast out nearly skin melting air when the core is at 80 degrees, while my CPU exhausts comfortably warm air when it's at 80 degrees. The reason that my ~150W processor runs as hot as my ~250-300W graphics card, despite having a cooler than has several times more surface area than the GPU cooler is because of the ease of heat dissipation.
post #214 of 1134
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Originally Posted by self_slaughter View Post

Cheers mate smile.gif

Now to decide between the pro or ultra lol.
Shipping is going to be about $40 for one tube so I better get it right redface.gif

Might take my cpu to work and delid it tomorrow and try out either the nocuta paste or the mx-4 i have on hand for now and order some good stuff in the next day or two once I've had more time to read up on the pro's/cons of each.
Was reading about having to polish for an hour to get the bloody stuff off if you remove the cpu (which I will probably sell mine soon in hopes of a better clocker lol)

Currently testing 4.5 at 1.3V :'( ~90'C spikes, avg 73'C on air...

edit:

decided on the pro after watching both installation videos.
ultra just seemed too liquidy considering all the surface mount **** next to the die on haswell.
Should be here during the week thumb.gif

Your welcome man.

There's not a worlds difference between the pro or the ultra, I guess just that the Ultra comes off a little better I suppose. 4.5Ghz @ 1.3V, I guess you really don't have a good OC'er. You may wanna sell it in warranty before opening it up and then selling it for a new one as it may sell better that way, even though you'd be doing the buyer a huge favor. Dam Haswell gets real toasty.

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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

Well, my GTX 480s blast out nearly skin melting air when the core is at 80 degrees, while my CPU exhausts comfortably warm air when it's at 80 degrees. The reason that my ~150W processor runs as hot as my ~250-300W graphics card, despite having a cooler than has several times more surface area than the GPU cooler is because of the ease of heat dissipation.

Yea 480's are known to be heaters, good for cooling the room in the winters. I guess Haswells own heating issue really doesn't help anymore in your case.
post #215 of 1134
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Originally Posted by Ali Man View Post

Yea 480's are known to be heaters, good for cooling the room in the winters. I guess Haswells own heating issue really doesn't help anymore in your case.
My point was just that the core temperature of my Sandy Bridge CPU and GTX 480 are the same, but the actual heat output of them is completely different. I'd like to see how much heat is actually being outputted by the Haswell chips in comparison to the Ivy Bridge chips, so we can determine if the die is harder to cool or if it's actually less power efficient than previous chips.
post #216 of 1134
FIVR isn't just a VRM like on the motherboard is my point. I believe I stated how it was a scalpel to the axe or whatever, that it has a similar task but isn't the same thing at all.
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post #217 of 1134
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

Actually the FIVR takes the Vccin and regulates that into 5 other voltages - Vcore, VCCIOA, VCCIOD, VCCSA, and Vring.  So it very much is a voltage regulator, it just isn't the only voltage regulator.  But all the motherboard is supplying to the chip is Vccin and Vddq (DDR).

Here's a nice picture of it:



So the Dynamic VCCIN normal range is 1.8v-2.3v or double the VCore normal range of 0.9v-1.15v - with a safe voltage level of 3.04v (1.52v? - seems high)

Without setting proper VCCIN, VCORE, VRING, and VGT does it strain the IVR causing greater temps? (regulating multiple internal CPU voltages without a high enough VCCIN may require it to use an increased switching frequency to maintain proper voltages, but generating tons of heat)

Asus usually creates pretty good AUTO settings based on their testing. Has anyone tried using:
Overclock Mode - Auto
Increasing just the turbo multiplier

leave everything else on auto
(low DRAM frequency of course, just in case the IMC isn't good)

or....

Set a high VCCIN 2.8v (for a 1.4v range for other voltages)
and leave the other voltages on auto to see where they are scaled by the motherboard when increasing the turbo ratio.


Ignore
Edited by ComputerRestore - 6/9/13 at 8:15pm
post #218 of 1134
There was a rumor that high VRIN voltages were killing the on board voltage regulators, so I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with such a high voltage. The voltage turns yellow at 2.1 on my board.
post #219 of 1134
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

There was a rumor that high VRIN voltages were killing the on board voltage regulators, so I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with such a high voltage. The voltage turns yellow at 2.1 on my board.

Is VRIN the same control for VCCIN?
post #220 of 1134
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Originally Posted by ComputerRestore View Post


Is VRIN the same control for VCCIN?


Yeah, I think different boards call it different things.

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