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I'm asking this question because while it's obvious if you have a 4.5ghz Ivy you should go to Haswell, I dont' want to downgrade by going from a highly binned ivy to an average Haswell. So some basic questions, that I'm sure a lot of other people want answered:

* Is Haswell's IMC better? My Ivy can do 2x2gb@2400mhz, but can only do 4x2gb@2200mhz. It'd be awesome if the IMC improved so I could do 2400mhz on 4x2gb sticks.

* How are Haswell's binning? I'm hearing conflicting reports on this. So far it seems to me that they bin exactly the same as Ivy, and there hasn't been any delidders yet to report how Haswell acts when delidded. Initial reports said Ivy could only do 4.7ghz too when it was first released before people delidded it...

* How does Haswell compare clock for clock? Is it like Sandy vs Ivy, ie 4.5ghz Ivy = 4.8ghz Sandy? So 5ghz Ivy </>/= 4.7ghz Haswell?

* Can Haswell use 3 monitors off the iGPU without the stupid restrictions that Ivy had? ie - that you needed 2 displays on active display/thunderbolt, or that 2 of the monitors need to be same resolution and same output type?

* Finally how's the iGPU? Can you run basic games off it, like blizzard games or rts (cough starcraft 2 performance cough).

Thanks. It seems pretty simple to me, sell your ivy set-up and buy haswell, and if you bought your ivy at MC, then you'll literally make a profit moving to haswell, but I just dont want to downgrade here...
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Maybe I am stupid, but going from Ivy to Haswell is a waste of money.
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Originally Posted by Watagump View Post

Maybe I am stupid, but going from Ivy to Haswell is a waste of money.

I think based on what we know, most people would agree with you...

Unless someone finds magical secret powers the haswell chips are hiding, I would keep your IB for the time being.
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I think based on what we know, most people would agree with you...

Unless someone finds magical secret powers the haswell chips are hiding, I would keep your IB for the time being.

I go as far as to say even people coming from something older to just get an Ivy. To me it comes down to saving as much as possible money wise to build something that suits peoples needs. Gamers can do everything with Ivy they can with Haswell for less money. In some cases not much less, but still less.
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Maybe I am stupid, but going from Ivy to Haswell is a waste of money.
Ok guys, we get it. Going from Ivy to Haswell is not that big of an upgrade. Can we discuss what people want to know regardless? Sheesh, every thread has people saying the same thing "it's not worth it, blah blah blah". Why can't you directly address the questions asked, if you don't know, don't reply.
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Ok guys, we get it. Going from Ivy to Haswell is not that big of an upgrade. Can we discuss what people want to know regardless? Sheesh, every thread has people saying the same thing.

In all fairness, the OP did start off by saying its obvious to go from Ivy to Haswell.
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In all fairness, the OP did start off by saying its obvious to go from Ivy to Haswell.
I'm just saying he didn't address the questions asked. All he said was "it's a waste of money". The only questions I saw were;

Is Haswell's IMC better? (than Ivy)
How are Haswell's binning?
How does Haswell compare clock for clock?
Can Haswell use 3 monitors off the iGPU?
Finally how's the iGPU?
Edited by anyhtinggoes - 6/4/13 at 9:08pm
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Haswell will be better... butttt..... it's not worth it if you already have Ivy, you won't really see any difference in pretty much every case.

The extra SATA and USB is about the only nice thing IMO.
 
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waste of what money? I paid 209+79 for my i7-3770k+ud5h, at worst i sell them for 290+160 which is current ebay market prices used, but im actually getting way more than that as im selling my entire pc. And ivy is currently only $40 cheaper than haswell... seems like a no brainer that anyone who has ivy should upgrade, unless you cant be bothered to spend time building computers (isnt this forum about the fun of building pcs?).

It just shocks me that people on this forum hate to try out new technology, they seem to think its extremely inconvenient to swap out a cpu... im sorry, i didnt think this was the apple reitrement community forums.
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waste of what money? I paid 209+79 for my i7-3770k+ud5h, at worst i sell them for 290+160 which is current ebay market prices used, but im actually getting way more than that as im selling my entire pc. And ivy is currently only $40 cheaper than haswell... seems like a no brainer that anyone who has ivy should upgrade, unless you cant be bothered to spend time building computers (isnt this forum about the fun of building pcs?).

It just shocks me that people on this forum hate to try out new technology, they seem to think its extremely inconvenient to swap out a cpu... im sorry, i didnt think this was the apple reitrement community forums.

I didn't know buying a Haswell meant just swapping a CPU. Anytime I change a motherboard, its a full clean install of Windows. I have tried not doing that, it has yet to work out.
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