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I didn't know buying a Haswell meant just swapping a CPU. Anytime I change a motherboard, its a full clean install of Windows. I have tried not doing that, it has yet to work out.

It doesn't, it's a new socket so you'd need a new board and fresh install for your OS along with it.
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It doesn't, it's a new socket so you'd need a new board and fresh install for your OS along with it.

I know it doesn't, that was my point.
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waste of what money? I paid 209+79 for my i7-3770k+ud5h, at worst i sell them for 290+160 which is current ebay market prices used, but im actually getting way more than that as im selling my entire pc. And ivy is currently only $40 cheaper than haswell... seems like a no brainer that anyone who has ivy should upgrade, unless you cant be bothered to spend time building computers (isnt this forum about the fun of building pcs?).

It just shocks me that people on this forum hate to try out new technology, they seem to think its extremely inconvenient to swap out a cpu... im sorry, i didnt think this was the apple reitrement community forums.

I didn't know buying a Haswell meant just swapping a CPU. Anytime I change a motherboard, its a full clean install of Windows. I have tried not doing that, it has yet to work out.

I reinstall my entire system every few weeks for shoots and giggles. I'm sorry, I find taking apart computers and components enjoyable. I think in the last 5 months my newest computer build has had both it's side panels on for a total of 3 hours, even though I have a custom window, LEDs, and custom extensions and matching color theme going on.

Also, I don't think you have to reinstall, technically. I've gone from AM3 to Z77 and my SSD worked just fine. I went along and formatted it but I used it for a few days. You hear sheep on the internet say you need to reinstall every time but it worked totally fine. I rewipe my SSD if I so much as download an image on accident though. I dont care to argue about this because I have no issue reinstalling the 2 programs I use. I have a list written of all the OS tweaks, program I download, and settings I use anyways, I can reinstall everything and load up all my preferences in about 25 minutes.

Plus it's my job so I'm pretty quick with this kind of thing. I do about a dozen fresh installs a day.
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Dude... Seriously? You have a delidded 5GHz 3770K and you're thinking of moving to Haswell?
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When I can sell my computer sans graphics card for $1200, you bet your behind I'm moving to haswell. And you should too.

Worst case scenario, it's an extremely minor upgrade. Who cares. Ivy and Haswell are basically the same price. Why would you not sell your ivy set-up for market value, and buy haswell? I'm literally making a profit going from ivy to haswell.

Ivy + ud5h = $209+79. Market Value = $290 + 160. Haswell = $289 + 144.

No brainer to me. Especially when I'm selling over market value (part luck, part because I'm selling entire build).

Ivy has a weak IMC, I can't do 2400mhz on my ram (and ram speed is extremely important in what I do) and my 5ghz is on an extremely high voltage so my ivy really isn't that great, I'm just willing to pump tons of voltage into it. oh my god my haswell will only do 4.6ghz after delidding and i spent time trying new hardware out and i 'lost' $20 in the process, i got so ripped off. If haswell sucks I'll sell it as a complete build again, make cash money, and buy ivy. I dont think I've ever owned a component in the last year for more than 3 months... I'm also poor and all of this is basically moving $300 around (buy on sale, sell for more, buy on sale, sell for more...).

You sure you are on the right forum? Maybe you want to go back to tomshardware? Or maybe I should be at xtremesystems...
Edited by Belial - 6/6/13 at 1:18am
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post #16 of 25
4k on the memory is doable with a cherry picked Haswell, past 3000 shouldn't break sweat on a regular sample.

Clock for clock it's the same as Sandy vs. Ivy, so around 200Mhz lower on Haswell matches Ivy.

I have no first hand experience, but this is what I have gathered so far, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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When I can sell my computer sans graphics card for $1200, you bet your behind I'm moving to haswell. And you should too.

Worst case scenario, it's an extremely minor upgrade. Who cares. Ivy and Haswell are basically the same price. Why would you not sell your ivy set-up for market value, and buy haswell? I'm literally making a profit going from ivy to haswell.

Ivy + ud5h = $209+79. Market Value = $290 + 160. Haswell = $289 + 144.

No brainer to me. Especially when I'm selling over market value (part luck, part because I'm selling entire build).

Ivy has a weak IMC, I can't do 2400mhz on my ram (and ram speed is extremely important in what I do) and my 5ghz is on an extremely high voltage so my ivy really isn't that great, I'm just willing to pump tons of voltage into it. oh my god my haswell will only do 4.6ghz after delidding and i spent time trying new hardware out and i 'lost' $20 in the process, i got so ripped off. If haswell sucks I'll sell it as a complete build again, make cash money, and buy ivy. I dont think I've ever owned a component in the last year for more than 3 months... I'm also poor and all of this is basically moving $300 around (buy on sale, sell for more, buy on sale, sell for more...).

You sure you are on the right forum? Maybe you want to go back to tomshardware? Or maybe I should be at xtremesystems...

Well if you could easily sell your system, then yeah it makes sense to upgrade. I would say it depends on people's budget too. I upgraded to haswell from 2500k because it's a new tech and a new MOBO. Micro center has a deal on haswell right now. 4670k for $199. 3570k is $189. that's a no brainer. Plus $40 off mobo. I would say for people who can afford it, why not upgrade? it's a newer tech so there's always new features.
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Microcenter certainly helps, no doubt about it. Profit turns into minor loss if it's newegg, but you bought at $320, sell for $290, buy haswell for $350. I suppose that starts to border on not worth it if you don't feel like installing a new system...
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Microcenter certainly helps, no doubt about it. Profit turns into minor loss if it's newegg, but you bought at $320, sell for $290, buy haswell for $350. I suppose that starts to border on not worth it if you don't feel like installing a new system...

That and also money. Not everybody can sell their used stuff right away. Though I suppose they can eventually. I have some stuff posted on craigslist right now that's been there for like two weeks. I have a ps3 that's posted because I was trying to sell it in order to get another 680 for SLI but I just pulled the trigger and bought one anyway. Not everyone can just buy stuff right away. Some may need to save up money in order to upgrade so they are wondering if it's justifiable to upgrade right away.
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So can haswell run 3 monitors off the igpu or not? This is very relevant and important to me.

I dont even know what displayport is. Do modern monitors have it? cant i just buy a cheap adaptor if i dont or something?
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Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
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Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
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Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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Haswell i7-4770K 4.8GHz@1.452v/1.97vRIN Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H Older Gigabyte 7950 (H60 Mod) 2x4GB Gskill 2400CL11 Hynix CFRs 
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Samsung 830 128gb Corsair H110 w/4x 140mm Yate Loon High Blues W7 x64 Ultimate Yarrgh Matey Dell U2312HM Matte IPS 1080p 
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Sanyo DP19640 18.5" 768p KDS Rad-7xp 1024p CM Storm Quickfire Rapids Brown Rosewill Capstone 750 
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Bitfenix Shinobi Modded CM Storm Spawn Steelseries Diablo 3 2 set CD Speaker + Big Sub 
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Bitfenix Recon Fan Controller Moded 
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Delidded i7-3770K 5GHz@1.499 Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H 1.1 Sapphire Dual-X 7950 3L Boost 4x2GB Mushkin Ridgeback 2200mhz 8/11/8/27 1.75v... 
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Intel X25-M 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 Noctua 120/140/140 Fans 3 x Yate Loon Mediums (Petras) 2 x NZXT Havik 140mm Fans 
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Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64-bit Sanyo DP19640 19'' KDS Radius Rad-7xp 17'' Ducky 1087 MX Brown 10keyless 
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Rosewill Capstone 550w Modular NZXT Source 210 w/Modded Window Razer Deathadder 3.5G Steelseries Blizzcon D3 
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Phillips FW-C250 2 Speaker Set w/3 CD Changer JBL Sub 6 Subwoofer NZXT Sleeved LED Strip 1m Blue NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller 
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Colonial Blue Paracord Sleeving 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom ii X4 955C2, $31, 5 broken pins, works! ... Biostar A770e3 6.3 Red&Black MSI GTX 460 768mb Twin Frozr II 2 x 2GB Kingston HyperX 1333 OC to 1348CL7@1.65v 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD NH-D14 SE2011 6 x Case Fans (4 x YL-M, NZXT case fan, CM Hype... Jerryrigged Chipset-Northbridge 80mm HSF 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Jerryrigged VRM Heatsink (sawed off stock AM2 h... Hax'd W7 Ultimate 64bit Sanyo DP19640 19"1360x768 Ducky Cherry Browns 10keyless 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Earthwatts 430D NZXT Gamma Steelseries Kinzu Optical Steelseries Blizzcon Diablo 3 
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