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Hmmmm, well I just never hear anything about AMD's onboard graphics, and I've read that the onboard works with the discrete card and also needs fast Ram speed as well. Hence why im just like "Intel will simpyl work fine". less of a headache as I am sure that my 2 intel systems I have built, are goingfine.
The input you and everyone else that has contributed to this thread is greatly aappreicated, Rep+
Yes i will explain to her that an SSD is optional for that fast loading speed feature. But if we are under our budget might as well get one and pretty soon all computers might have SSD's.
Memory Leak? I haven't even exceded 4GB usage of my 8GB ram and I am current runing a 1650x1050 and a 1280x1024 dual screen setup, 6 google chrome tabs open, and skype but not signed in
2.21GB - Windows 7 home 64 bit.
but yea 8gb is great so why not....
A cheap case is cheap hit. Would like to get a decent case > Antec One
And yes the saving would be nice to spend on a nice GPU > GTX650 ti Boost a 2GB one smile.gif

i guess i just assume people generate as much load as i do. i have 200 tabs on 3 browsers.. :s

your totally right, if your under budget SSD is a great option since it does help with system responsiveness and waiting for stuff to open, and for the general user this is pretty much the only delays they experience.

anyways, basically i would and will continue to go around just recommending people buy 8gb when building new rigs. i use programs on x64 that kill 4gb regularly. without memory leaks. and then theres the ie memory leaks.. windows has memory leaks, more when its recently released, they patch them out pretty good, but like my 7 x64 does still have a few processes that leak. if this ever does happen to a non-tech person, basically they just experience a really slow computer they cant fix, need to power down, and then call you, the computer friend, for help.

so while some people might get 8gb and never use it all, most would at some point crack into the >4gb range. also you may not be aware that windows basically uses the free memory as a cache, so this reason alone, @ 4gb you will definitely get into the 3gb full range, my rig runs about there with nothing major open. this leaves no room for this caching, and (my own theory) slows the system down when it thrashes to "optimise" your superfetch cache more often.
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RAM is overtly expensive now.

Why are you recommending 8 GB if their use will never need it?

Same with the video card?

More future proof is to buy what is needed rater than go beyond ..

In 2 years this build
Will be obsolete by oc.net standards... But for this lady it will still be overkill.

It is your money... But I do believe this is a waste of $$
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RAM is overtly expensive now.

Why are you recommending 8 GB if their use will never need it?

Same with the video card?

More future proof is to buy what is needed rater than go beyond ..

In 2 years this build
Will be obsolete by oc.net standards... But for this lady it will still be overkill.

It is your money... But I do believe this is a waste of $$

its a good point u can always get 4 gb more later, when its cheaper. it wont be hard to find or anything. what im saying is I wouldn't build anyone except sum1 on the TIGHTEST budget a rig with 4gb ram in it anymore. like if you want your computer to cost the absolute least amount of $$ possible, get 4gb. if you are not too cost sensitive, get 8gb min.

and I did explain my theory why, you cant tell me you wont at least fill 3GB worth of memory at some point. this leaves 0 truly free memory, and results inevitably in some level of increased thrashing to optimise the cache space. im not sure the performance impact, but from my research im beginning to think its something people should be paying more attention to in terms of system performance.

and I don't think this build needs a video card at all. if theres extra money to kill I would get one, but a really small one. like some $100 NVidia thing. then if they decide to play any other games at least they will be able to, many games wont even consider running on IGPU.
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RAM is overtly expensive now.

Why are you recommending 8 GB if their use will never need it?

Same with the video card?

More future proof is to buy what is needed rater than go beyond ..
What if she randomly decieds to buy a 1920x1080p monitor by any chance? and then her duaghters complain that teh graphics are struggling? I need to build it ready to go for anything coming to it.
She saw me today, and literally said keep it under a grasnd, which is easily done.
8GB Ram, is overkill, but, she could hit 4GB limit maybe....who knows.
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its a good point u can always get 4 gb more later, when its cheaper.
you cant tell me you wont at least fill 3GB worth of memory at some point. this leaves 0 truly free memory, and results inevitably in some level of increased thrashing to optimise the cache space. im not sure the performance impact, but from my research im beginning to think its something people should be paying more attention to in terms of system performance.

and I don't think this build needs a video card at all. if theres extra money to kill I would get one, but a really small one. like some $100 NVidia thing. then if they decide to play any other games at least they will be able to, many games wont even consider running on IGPU.
Yes I was thinkign settle for 4GB now, and see how it goes but 8GB is safe because yes teh sysetm will use some memory. I dont have the greatest knwolegde about the system and all.....even the "cache" stuff.

And yes, a simple $100 nvidia is like aGT640 by asus - and on a thead ont his website said the GTX640 is on par witht he haswell iGPU hence why Im argueing i5 3570K or the HAswell 4330 deal?
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What if she randomly decieds to buy a 1920x1080p monitor by any chance? and then her duaghters complain that teh graphics are struggling? I need to build it ready to go for anything coming to it.
She saw me today, and literally said keep it under a grasnd, which is easily done.
8GB Ram, is overkill, but, she could hit 4GB limit maybe....who knows.
Yes I was thinkign settle for 4GB now, and see how it goes but 8GB is safe because yes teh sysetm will use some memory. I dont have the greatest knwolegde about the system and all.....even the "cache" stuff.

And yes, a simple $100 nvidia is like aGT640 by asus - and on a thead ont his website said the GTX640 is on par witht he haswell iGPU hence why Im argueing i5 3570K or the HAswell 4330 deal?

it would be a good idea to compare the haswell integrated graphics with some gcards and see how the benchmarks weigh in. obviously if a given gcard isn't a large improvement over integrated graphics then it might be a waste of money, and u could just get a haswell cpu/mobo combo deal or something. might be your best bet since if in the future gaming graphics become a priority you haven't wasted money on a mediocre gcard, you could then upgrade to a good one if needed.

personally I have no idea how the integrated graphics stack up vs dedicated, ive never used integrated graphics. im sure some googling will give you a rough idea what is going on though. tomshardware probably did some roundup benchmark thing.
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I read on overclock - that the haswell can be as good as a gt640.
But I will see how it goes without a dedicated card, and maybe upgrade later
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