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I've been thinking about upgrading my CPU and Mobo recently but want to make sure that it would be truly worth it before I spend the money. I currently have an i7 950 running at 4.0-4.2 gHz with an Asus Sabertooth x58 and 6gb of OCZ Reaper memory. I held off upgrading for a while because there normally isn't that much of a performance increase from one generation to the next. But that I'm 3 generations behind, I think it might be time for that long awaited upgrade.

So my main question is would it be worth it upgrading from my current setup, in my sig, to an Asus Z87 mobo and i5 4670K. I'd more than likely end up getting new RAM as well. Probably Corsair Vengence or Crucial Ballistix Sport.
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Just for gaming, yes. Unless, you have a Microcenter close to you, you could get something better (there is one in Columbus). The only other thing I could recommend is that you maybe go IB to save a bit of money since the performance difference is negligible.
 
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Well, what do you actually do?
If you consider your CPU not up to the task anymore, then go for it.

If you want a 'truly' upgrade, the next gen will always that much more. You have to give us a basis. tongue.gif
Generally it's worth it unless you plan to go for an APU imo. Seeing higher clocked memory up the road, it might as well be okay before DDR4 comes out. There is a looot of room for debate on this subject. ^^ So I'd just re-refer you to the second sentence in this post.

Keep in mind that Haswell will also be a hot chip, so you might have to consider delidding!
If you game, I'd probably swap out your 470s first.
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Just for gaming, yes. Unless, you have a Microcenter close to you, you could get something better (there is one in Columbus). The only other thing I could recommend is that you maybe go IB to save a bit of money since the performance difference is negligible.

I have a Microcenter about 20 minutes away. I've also though of going with a 2500k to start then maybe later getting a 3570k or 3770k
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Well, what do you actually do?
If you consider your CPU not up to the task anymore, then go for it.

If you want a 'truly' upgrade, the next gen will always that much more. You have to give us a basis. tongue.gif
Generally it's worth it unless you plan to go for an APU imo. Seeing higher clocked memory up the road, it might as well be okay before DDR4 comes out. There is a looot of room for debate on this subject. ^^ So I'd just re-refer you to the second sentence in this post.

Keep in mind that Haswell will also be a hot chip, so you might have to consider delidding!
If you game, I'd probably swap out your 470s first.

It's more of the motherboard than the CPU that really doesn't cut it. The Sata 3 controller is useless so I don't use it at all anymore. And the NB run extremely hot. I've considered just changing motherboards to a different x58 board, but I figured it I was switching out motherboards I might as well just upgrade.

Yeah, I know my 470's are getting dated. They still rock pretty hard though, despite their age. The rig is primarily used for gaming, web browsing, some light CAD work and video encoding every once in a while. And of course I run folding at home during the cooler months. It also functions as a server to stream movies and such to the other computers in the house.
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I see.
Yes, I feel you on that motherboard, and I purposely omitted another x58 replacement.
Well, considering anything else but gaming - does it really fit your needs? If it's light CAD and *some* encoding you don't mind leaving for a couple of hours, I see no reason to give up on the 950, and the 470s are sure to do their job at a respectful pace.
As to gaming, however...
If you enjoy playing new titles, then I say it's time for an upgrade. Starting off with a (pair of) GPU(s) and then a Mobo/CPU combo (still can't set my mind between a cheaper Ivy or a fresh new Has with the same cheap TIM). However, that is not the case if you play mostly poorly-threaded, CPU intensive games. But that is easy to track down - run GPU-Z, have Task Manager open too, and when you see your PC struggling, just alt+tab and see which processor(s) is/are pegged at 100% (or 12.5% / 25% for that matter, considering poor multi-threading).
I also doubt you suffer from GPU Memory bottleneck, keeping in mind that it's 1080p you play at and the 470s have 1280MB situated over a 320-bit interface.
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It doesn't make sense to go from a 2500k to a 3570k, I did it and it was hardly worth it even though it only cost me $15 to switch it out. I would go with a 3570k or 4570k, if you decide to de-lid (I am going to) you will see much lower temps and the overclockability will be through the roof. I am comfortably sitting at 4.5 GHz on my 3570k with a $20 CM 212 Plus (single fan) and if I de-lid, I think I could do 4.8.

I might be getting a 3770k when we see some price drops though, but that is because I render a lot.

However, it may be worth it to go with the new socket for upcoming releases, you will have to wait for a 2 generations after Haswell to see a major improvement though (Intel's tick (small improvement) and tock (big improvement) works like that).
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It doesn't make sense to go from a 2500k to a 3570k, I did it and it was hardly worth it even though it only cost me $15 to switch it out. I would go with a 3570k or 4570k, if you decide to de-lid (I am going to) you will see much lower temps and the overclockability will be through the roof. I am comfortably sitting at 4.5 GHz on my 4570k with a $20 CM 212 Plus (single fan) and if I de-lid, I think I could do 4.8.

I might be getting a 3770k when we see some price drops though, but that is because I render a lot.

However, it may be worth it to go with the new socket for upcoming releases, you will have to wait for a 2 generations after Haswell to see a major improvement though (Intel's tick (small improvement) and tock (big improvement) works like that).

What?
I mean. what?

I might be getting you wrong, but that was like super random.

He has a i7 950, that's like Q3 2009 IIRC released. It has already been a long enough run in your terms.
Nobody is talking about another Sandy, the 2500k which he doesn't have.
And what is that long run talk, Ivy is supposedly the "tock". Haswell should be a tick, tocking into Broadwell and then comes Skylake on 14nm architecture.

Also you have a 3570k, not a 4570k... And Ivy > Haswell would be costly for a marginal performance increase, as noted in previous posts.

Having said that, I don't get your post...at all. headscratch.gif
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I have a Microcenter about 20 minutes away. I've also though of going with a 2500k to start then maybe later getting a 3570k or 3770k

@fragamemnon Refer to the above quote for the talk of the 2500k.

And, yes, I did say 4570k instead of 3570k, I do have severe dyslexia so let's just chalk the number mix up to a mistake.

Anyways, basically, I was saying if for some reason he felt attached to z7x boards then he could get a 3770k or a 3570k and be happy. However, it would be beneficial to go onto the z8x platform because he will probably make it last.

BUT, about the "ticks" and "tocks", they are royally screwed up, since there has been no real "tock" improvement since SB. (I should have been more clear with the ticks and tocks, I forgot to mention that's what I meant by it)
 
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Thanks for the input everyone. +rep to you all

I think I'm going to wait a little longer and see what else comes of Socket 1150. And to see what other board are released for this socket as there are still somewhat limited option at Microcenter. I am leaning toward going with an 1150 board though to leave it open for other future upgrades. I really like the look of the new Asus z87 line of boards but I'm slightly weary of Asus now considering the small problems I've had with my Sabertooth. Maybe ASRock or Gigabyte is in my future.
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doh.gif I really didn't read that.

But, like I said, a 950 to a 2500K is quite a jump, and IMO, in terms of overclocking potential, the Sandy runs cooler and can, and in most of the cases will, be on par with Ivies in terms of performance after OC (not clock for clock). Unless he plans to delid. But that's a different story.
Also, going by the price of a 2500K, if he can wait a bit on the PCI-e 3.0 (and even SLI 680's didn't peg 2x16 PCI-e 2.0 lanes), it's quite a bang for the buck (judging by local prices) including a decent mobo. And that relatively cheap upgrade, considering his needs, can hold well enough until Skylake comes out. OK I just checked Newegg, it seems like we handle things differently here. mad.gif Damn I want equal prices too! Anyhow, disregard this.

Also, yeah. Ticks are diminishing, so I do consider myself everything past SB a tock. Sandy was the last Intel tick currently. Especially with CPUs not having the IHS soldered - that was even a big step back.

Also, with current Haswell reviews, I would doubt whether it would actually be worth the extra buck compared to an 2500k. Microcenter prices will show I guess.
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I think I'm going to wait a little longer and see what else comes of Socket 1150. And to see what other board are released for this socket as there are still somewhat limited option at Microcenter. I am leaning toward going with an 1150 board though to leave it open for other future upgrades. I really like the look of the new Asus z87 line of boards but I'm slightly weary of Asus now considering the small problems I've had with my Sabertooth. Maybe ASRock or Gigabyte is in my future.

Considering the information I just stumbled upon, 1150 seems quite valid.
Also, I am starting to see more and more positive AsRock feedback considering the high-end chipset motherboards.
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