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OK, this does look good, but why are they trying to reinvent good old PC functionality with Apps and the Metro interface? I mean we already have windows explorer, and a desktop and windows and folders and applications and such. Now we need the same for apps - which are just applications, only worse?

This doubling of functionality and form to me looks counter-productive on the PC, as fine as the OS is underneath the interface. They showed you can split the screen between an e-mail app and a picture viewer. That's just nothing new for PC users.

I understand that for mobile devices which don't feature keyboards and mice added functionality with a simpler interface is great, but for us PC users - they're just reinventing what we've been always doing.
Maybe I'm missing the point but I don't see why if we already have proper applications we need to double their functionality with lesser apps, unless we're always "on the run" and can't afford to take the time to run those more complex programs.
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OK, this does look good, but why are they trying to reinvent good old PC functionality with Apps and the Metro interface? I mean we already have windows explorer, and a desktop and windows and folders and applications and such. Now we need the same for apps - which are just applications, only worse?

This doubling of functionality and form to me looks counter-productive on the PC, as fine as the OS is underneath the interface. They showed you can split the screen between an e-mail app and a picture viewer. That's just nothing new for PC users.

I understand that for mobile devices which don't feature keyboards and mice added functionality with a simpler interface is great, but for us PC users - they're just reinventing what we've been always doing.
Maybe I'm missing the point but I don't see why if we already have proper applications we need to double their functionality with lesser apps, unless we're always "on the run" and can't afford to take the time to run those more complex programs.

Because one day, in the (somewhat near) future, touch will be the main input for all computing.
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in the end

u wanna game u use WIN8/8.1/9 whatever (they wont get rid or the new UI cuz tuochscreen is the future)

u dont like it or ur games gonna be playble in linux (good luck there) ull move to linux
MS will lose small % of the desktop and replace it with tablet market

a companey can never have win/win
they must lose some to win some

They will not succeed in the mobile market. They got into it way to late, last ones to the game almost. They are going to have to do something truly innovative or magical to change that and windows 8 is neither. Touchscreen will never be the future of desktops unless the ergonomics are addressed. You try sitting there in your comfortable chair with your arms reaching straight out in front of you for hours on end. It doesn't work.

Desktops have their place and will for a very long time to come. Mobile has it's place and will for a very long time to come. But a one size fits all approach is doomed to failure. That is the ultimate problem. You can't make 1 os work on everything. Even apple knows this hence ios and osx. They are integrating more and more,and slowly but they are keeping 2 separate things. To me it's no different (trying to avoid religion) than the bible never being printed in something other than the original aramaic? Very small % of people still read or know that language.

Some people like it, which is great. The majority don't, and businesses (which is the biggest part of their OS market) will not bite on this thing. It just isn't designed for them. Windows 8 will most likely be the first step on end of road for MS, at least in the OS department. Will be hard to recover from this disaster.

If they decide to focus on mobile then linux might take the crown for gaming. Unfortunately it will likely be the *buntu's. They are the only real alternative. Keyboard and mouse will be here for a very long time. Long before touch even comes close to doing anything in the desktop neighborhood.
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This doubling of functionality and form to me looks counter-productive on the PC, as fine as the OS is underneath the interface. They showed you can split the screen between an e-mail app and a picture viewer. That's just nothing new for PC users.

Exactly this. Why reinvent the wheel.
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im not gonna scream about touch screens. but why hasnt there been a motion control designed for windows 8? or the ability to use your phone to move around and make selections, hmmmm microsoft?! you did it for your worthless xbox, that brings nothing but halo to the table
    
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In five years, at least 80% of new computers will have touchscreens. You can quote me on that.

Mouses will still be used for work that requires enhanced precision, but the average person will probably be using a laptop/tablet hybrid.
    
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In five years, at least 80% of new computers will have touchscreens. You can quote me on that.

Mouses will still be used for work that requires enhanced precision, but the average person will probably be using a laptop/tablet hybrid.

Unless the touchscreen is built into my desk itself, then I don't see touchscreen computers being that big. We have them now and they're a pain if you have to reach over the desk to touch them. Same with touch laptops ( except for the ones that you can basically convert to a tablet ). Reaching over a desk or keyboard is just tedious.
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Funny I don't ever see a mouse or KB in Star Trek... tongue.gif
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Unless the touchscreen is built into my desk itself, then I don't see touchscreen computers being that big. We have them now and they're a pain if you have to reach over the desk to touch them. Same with touch laptops ( except for the ones that you can basically convert to a tablet ). Reaching over a desk or keyboard is just tedious.

That's why I think devices like the Lenovo Yoga (but more refined, e.g. without the exposed keyboard in tablet mode) are the future. They have the portability of a tablet and the power of a laptop, and ideally, they'll be able to perform flawlessly in either mode.
    
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Unless the touchscreen is built into my desk itself, then I don't see touchscreen computers being that big. We have them now and they're a pain if you have to reach over the desk to touch them. Same with touch laptops ( except for the ones that you can basically convert to a tablet ). Reaching over a desk or keyboard is just tedious.
Is this at a desk you mean? I've accidentally tried to use touch on my work laptop a few times. I don't carry around a mouse when I'm taking it to a meeting so reaching over a keyboard is really easy. Even when I have a mouse on my Surface I tend to swap back and forth.

The only time I'd think its not easy is for a desktop monitor since those are usually positioned farther away.
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So the start button takes users back to that metrosexual drama thing called full screen fail.

Considering Win 8 is competing with Vista MS have done well.
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