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post #1 of 15
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Something has been really bothering me lately.
Why is intel marketing the Haswell CPUs as 4th gen core i7 i5 etc when its really either the 5th generation or the third depending on how you look at it.

Nehalem > westmere > sandy bridge > ivy bridge > haswell

OR

Nehalem > Sandy Bridge > Haswell ???
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It's to do with Intel's tick-tock policy. These are all "Core" chips. Ticks are small changes, generally a shrink in die size / fab process. Tocks are bigger changes, generally architecture ones.

Pentium 4 / P6
Tick - Presler/Ceder Mill 65nm

1st Gen
Tock - Conroe 65nm
Tick - Penryn 45nm

2nd Gen
Tock - Nehalem 45nm
Tick - Westmere 32nm

3rd Gen
Tock - Sandy Bridge 32nm
Tick - Ivy Bridge 22nm (actually was marketed tick plus)

4th Gen
Tock - Haswell 22nm
Tick - Broadwell 14nm

I actually think it should be 5th Gen... because Yonah was the original 1st Gen.

Hope that clears it up for you!

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post #3 of 15
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Ohh makes sence now. I know how the tick-tock works, but I didnt know they were including the previous "Core" series of processors like the core 2 duo, etc.

Got it.

Thanks for the reply. +
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post #4 of 15
you forgot Lynnfield & gulftown too.

I guess its the platform & cpu generation?

p55 & x58 1st gen

p67/x79 2nd gen

z77 3rd gen

z87 4th gen

that's the way I see anyway?

if you was to count them all as a new gen gods knows where it'd be lol?
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lynfield and gulftown were a part of nehalem and westmere respectively.
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It doesn't make sense, but they do it anyway:
First gen was Nehalem and Westmere
Second gen was Sandy Bridge
Third gen was SB-E and Ivy Bridge
Fourth gen is Haswell and soon to be IB-E

Lynnfield was a Nehalem chip BTW, while Clarkdale was Westmere.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy View Post

It's to do with Intel's tick-tock policy. These are all "Core" chips. Ticks are small changes, generally a shrink in die size / fab process. Tocks are bigger changes, generally architecture ones.

Pentium 4 / P6
Tick - Presler/Ceder Mill 65nm

1st Gen
Tock - Conroe 65nm
Tick - Penryn 45nm

2nd Gen
Tock - Nehalem 45nm
Tick - Westmere 32nm

3rd Gen
Tock - Sandy Bridge 32nm
Tick - Ivy Bridge 22nm (actually was marketed tick plus)

4th Gen
Tock - Haswell 22nm
Tick - Broadwell 14nm

I actually think it should be 5th Gen... because Yonah was the original 1st Gen.

Hope that clears it up for you!

DB

 

But they called Sandy "2nd generation" and Ivy "3rd generation"?

 

I'm quite sure they simply included Westmere in the "1st Generation" category for whatever reason.

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^^ Yes I guess that is what started my confusion. Did they not see westmere as a big enough step to consider it a "new generation"?
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^^ Yes I guess that is what started my confusion. Did they not see westmere as a big enough step to consider it a "new generation"?

Honestly I had no idea Westmere even existed. I thought all those processors were just Nehalems that came out at a later date. As if completing a line up that was incomplete to begin with.

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It's all a marketing scam... that's my best answer.

I suppose the way they are now saying is

1st Westmere
2nd Sandy Bridge
3rd Ivy Bridge
4th Haswell
5th Broadwell

So they are completely ignoring their tick-tock policy.

Intel did say though that you don't need a discrete GPU for gaming anymore since the release of Sandy and HD 2000.... and I'm pretty sure no-one here believes that load of rubbish!

Quite depressingly Haswell isn't light years ahead of Westmere and should be.

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