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how on earth do you people use so many tabs? It would literally drive me insane to have more than 10 tabs open.

In the few instances I actually need to look at a lot of stuff in a short time frame (doing some cross referencing or something), I'll deliberately go out of my way to open a second or even third window and organize tabs into them based on category.

If I have a bunch of stuff that I will need later, I just save the session and close them and reopen the session when needed.

Leaving everything open all the time is so disorganized and inefficient.

Now don't even get me started on you guys with over 30 plugins...

Don't really see the need of having multiple windows when firefox allows you to group tabs in one window. That's kinda inefficient to me ya know?
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Don't really see the need of having multiple windows when firefox allows you to group tabs in one window. That's kinda inefficient to me ya know?

Firefox has a tendency to crash a tab and take the entire browser with it. Chrome doesn't have a tab organizing feature. Either way, multiple windows is the solution.
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At least we can all agree on not wanting to use IE. smile.gif

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At this rate, won't we be at Firefox 100 within a few years?

That's kind of ridiculous. I know it's been said tons of times, but regular updates don't justify a whole number increase. Even IE is changing numbers too quickly. IE11 is coming soon and barely anything has changed.
    
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I'm using it right now and I love it. So, do any of you have any questions for me that I might be able to answer due to using it?
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Actually, there are two things that I want to address: the main Firefox button and also the fact that it looks like Google Chrome's.

Just to get it out of the way, I'll start with the fact that it looks like Google Chrome's: I think that it would be a bad move on Mozilla's part to copy Google Chome with this part of Firefox. Now, notice that I said "would be". After all, nothing is final yet! Keep that in mind while complaining about any of the changes or new features. There's nothing that says that what we see here is what we'll see in the final version. Anything can change, including this blatant copy of Google Chrome. In other words, this is definitely not a WYSIWYWG situation (What You See Is What You Will Get).

So with that out of the way, let's have a look at what you see when you click it:

Firefox25Button.png

As you can see, you can customize this menu and it even includes the ability to move these buttons around inside the menu! Not only that, but you can also move any of these buttons to the main toolbar if you wanted. to. Although, they're a little big right now for that. I have to assume that Mozilla will fix it so that they will be the correct size when placed on the main toolbar. Getting back to moving these buttons around, the editing buttons and zooming buttons are solid bars that can only be moved around as a unit, so the individual buttons on these 2 bars cannot be rearranged (at least not right now - I mean, maybe Mozilla will make it possible to do that).

There are many more cool things that I can show you, but I recommend that you install it to see for yourself:

http://people.mozilla.org/~jwein/ux-nightly/

Although, I recommend backing up your current profile folder because it uses it! For me in Windows 7, that was %appdata%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\6k60u6q3.default. The folder named 6k60u6q3.default is the randomly-generated folder name for the default profile folder, so yours will be different. Fortunately, it goes by the name UX, so it will be installed as a browser called UX in its own Program Files (x86) folder and everything. It's just that it uses the default profile folder of the existing installation of Firefox.

Just in case, you can also disable add-on compatibility checking using this extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/checkcompatibility/ (although, all of my extensions were compatible except for 2 that I no longer really use anyway)

All this extension does is it adds the necessary lines to about:config with the correct settings. As of right now, it's not just a matter of adding a False Boolean named something like extensions.checkCompatibility.25.0 (or 24.0, or 24.0a, etc.). There are currently a total of 8 different lines that have to be added. This is a bit crazy, so maybe in the final release it'll be back to being just a simple matter of adding a False Boolean extensions.checkCompatibility.25.0.
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As some wise guy said:

"History lesson.
Mozilla did UX research long before Chrome went public. Mozilla released their UX an UI reports and future designs, 4-5 months later Chrome was announced and used many design ideas were out of the report. Just took Mozilla over a year to implement the designs. Meanwhile Chrome got released and Mozilla were called copycats when Firefox 4 was released.
This is the completion of the UX research Mozilla made."
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Not really:

http://evilbrainjono.net/blog?showcomments=true&permalink=1094

Title: "Everybody hates Firefox updates"

This was written by an ex-Mozilla employee (he quit). A part of this is him explaining that they really were trying to copy Google Chrome and I would say that they still are. However, the main thrust of what he wrote is that Mozilla bled a lot of users because of their change to the rapid release process. Google started Chrome with the rapid release process and Mozilla became jealous. Of course, that's not the only thing they were jealous of. Read what he wrote!

Yes, there are many people like us who stayed with Firefox anyway for various reasons (and probably changed the Updates setting in Firefox over to "Never check for updates"), but we're the minority.
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It's not that difficult, I've done it.
Just to give you an idea of the machines I've run it on. Old AMD 1.2GHz single core CPU with 256MB of RAM. Yeah, I think I've compared them on older hardware. If you can find me some benchmarks that show these full seconds, go ahead and prove me wrong, but this has been beaten to death already. Time and time again.

http://en.kioskea.net/faq/28055-google-chrome-enable-disable-the-pre-rendering-of-webpages

Go ahead, turn it off and the compare yourself, or turn it on in Firefox and compare yourself.

That is the only reason chrome seems faster. This whole thing went crazy when people found out chrome was pre loading / rendering the websites by default as everyone wanted to benchmark them but couldn't figure out why chrome was `faster` at loading. And seriously, after the programs are cached, start up times are nothing, even on older hardware.

I have no reason to lie, but since you want to say I lie yet provide no proof of your own claims then you might as well not.

How about some charts you say?











Now, notice the times ( milliseconds ) and who's ahead for most of the time, the couple of charts that do full full seconds and the difference at most at any given time is 1 second, unless you're trying to load 8 tabs at which time firefox flops behind. But also notice how it also depends on the OS. On Win 7, some are faster than others and vice versa, on Win 8... well same thing but then some are waaaaaaaaaaaay slower.

Now, as I said: Neither is really any faster than the other when going toe to toe., and aren't seconds apart like you want to claim, but again as I said milliseconds as in most of the time they're within a half of a second or better of each other.

You are just way too offensive, and offensive without any proof as well which is even worse. All benchmarks basically show Chrome and Firefox trading blows and going toe to toe each release, most of the time they stay relatively the same, sometimes one or other other pulls out ahead for a short time, but always end up pretty much equal again not long after. This is how it's been forever and as I said again, been beaten to hell already.


Now can we get back to discussing this new firefox and not comparing to chrome or whichever is faster?

Dear lord, you are seriously just trolling now. You cherry pick a few benchmarks when in the SAME review the author concludes definitively that chrome is the better browser.

"Chrome's showing in all four of the remaining non-performance metrics was superior to Firefox, closing the deal."

You cannot have lost any more credibility on this topic than you just did. By cherry picking graphs to come at the exact opposite conclusion of the author and totally misrepresenting what was intended to be said.
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Dear lord, you are seriously just trolling now. You cherry pick a few benchmarks when in the SAME review the author concludes definitively that chrome is the better browser.

"Chrome's showing in all four of the remaining non-performance metrics was superior to Firefox, closing the deal."

You cannot have lost any more credibility on this topic than you just did. By cherry picking graphs to come at the exact opposite conclusion of the author and totally misrepresenting what was intended to be said.

Yeah, but is anyone getting any benefit from this discussion/argument? Besides, what about the Original Post?

I, for one, am really liking what I'm seeing so far. I'm still using it and I've even since made it my default browser.
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