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My 120GB Samsung 840 just came in the mail today! Got it from Amazon for $95 and free shipping, dang good deal IMO. Too bad the laptop its meant for won't be here for a week or two!

And here I am thinking SSD prices have gone up. I remember getting a couple of brand new Samsung 830 128GB for $70 and OCZ Vertex 3 120GB for $60...

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Anyways, what kind of stuff should and shouldn't I put on the SSD? What other "need-to-knows" are there for SSDs?

Whatever fits? In general, I like to keep OS, programs, games and app data on the SSD. Documents, too, if there's enough space. I actually keep photos, music and a video or two on my laptop's SSD (waited for 500GB models to become more affordable before I switched the laptop's HDD for SSD). Sure, I've got loads of storage available on my LAN but I need a lot of files on the go and using an external HDD isn't always practical.

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EDIT: Another question, can I install Windows on it using my desktop and then put it in my laptop no problem?

Could work but I wouldn't recommend it.

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I just picked up a 2nd 120GB. That's one way to get some breathing room with a lot of big games. The game juggling between SSD and HDD was tedious.
Just using the mechanical drive mostly for backup now.

Lol, I'm long overdue for an SSD replacement. I've actually had the replacement on hand for a while now. Just haven't been able to muster up the effort to actually do the switch. I'm constantly at 500MB-1GB free on my C drive so I really need to do it one of these days. It's a good thing I overprovision or my system would probably have slowed to a crawl.
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I would recommend using Samsung Magician software to increase the amount of over provisioning, because the closer to full an SSD gets, the slower it becomes. By having, say, 20GB of space you CANNOT access (plus the 7 percent from the factory), you prevent yourself from inadvertently filling the drive too much.

I also run the "performance optimization" in the Magician software once or twice a week, and my 830 256GB, bought in May 2012, is actually performing slightly better than a year ago.

The whole thing is that you want to minimize writes, and use the drive for reads as much as possible. I keep a small 1-4GB pagefile on a separate, mechanical drive, and my "User" folders are on various mechanical drives as well. Putting the Web browser cache and Win Temp/TMP files on hard drives hugely reduces the amount of writes. I have mine setup so that I almost never require accessing more than one program per drive at a time (I can listen to FLAC, play a video, have Chrome and FF open and active, have 4-8 different tracks open for editing, Print Screen to Paint and save as JPEG files, and have a game running, all without choking any drive).
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I would recommend using Samsung Magician software to increase the amount of over provisioning, because the closer to full an SSD gets, the slower it becomes. By having, say, 20GB of space you CANNOT access (plus the 7 percent from the factory), you prevent yourself from inadvertently filling the drive too much.

I also run the "performance optimization" in the Magician software once or twice a week, and my 830 256GB, bought in May 2012, is actually performing slightly better than a year ago.

The whole thing is that you want to minimize writes, and use the drive for reads as much as possible. I keep a small 1-4GB pagefile on a separate, mechanical drive, and my "User" folders are on various mechanical drives as well. Putting the Web browser cache and Win Temp/TMP files on hard drives hugely reduces the amount of writes. I have mine setup so that I almost never require accessing more than one program per drive at a time (I can listen to FLAC, play a video, have Chrome and FF open and active, have 4-8 different tracks open for editing, Print Screen to Paint and save as JPEG files, and have a game running, all without choking any drive).
Once you get a multiple drive setup configured and use it for a week, using a different computer with only one or two drives is painful, and really illustrates the benefits of multiple storage drives...
Just keep the page file on the SSD...

Unless you are writing 20GB+ daily, there is no major concern on the number of writes to SSDs.
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The whole thing is that you want to minimize writes, and use the drive for reads as much as possible. I keep a small 1-4GB pagefile on a separate, mechanical drive, and my "User" folders are on various mechanical drives as well. Putting the Web browser cache and Win Temp/TMP files on hard drives hugely reduces the amount of writes. I have mine setup so that I almost never require accessing more than one program per drive at a time (I can listen to FLAC, play a video, have Chrome and FF open and active, have 4-8 different tracks open for editing, Print Screen to Paint and save as JPEG files, and have a game running, all without choking any drive).
Once you get a multiple drive setup configured and use it for a week, using a different computer with only one or two drives is painful, and really illustrates the benefits of multiple storage drives...

Or you could get a large enough SSD and negate the need for a multi-drive set-up (except for storage, that is). I've disabled the disk cache for Firefox and just have it use RAM for caching (not to reduce writes to the SSD but because RAM is much faster than SSD). I've got some programs that write a lot of small files to the temp folder so putting those on an HDD would be seriously detrimental to performance.

I've got a system which writes around 50GB/day to the SSD (Crucial m4 128GB) for the past year and the drive's still at 97% health. Really, I wouldn't worry about writes.
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For my needs, capacity is important, and I unfortunately cannot afford 4TB or more of SSD space!

I have simply found what works best for me, and figured I would share.

(also, I only have a page file because of a single program I'm using that won't work without it; normally I run without one)
   
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Well, i have 4 Samsung 840 Pro SSDs, and one of them is 512GB using it on my laptop that i use it everyday and i type and log in to this site from it.

The boot time of this SSD now on my laptop is about 50sec-1min, before it was fast booting, i have almost about half the space on this SSD [~200-250GB], so i am not sure now what to do, later i will move all or most files i have to an external drive to have more space, but i can't tell if this will return the speed of this SSD anymore, so if the speed of SSD gone, can it be returned back?

I don't know what is the problem on this laptop, the BIOS is very confusing and the AHCI mode is not available and when i checked the Samsung Magician it shows that there is no AHCI enabled and also it can't detect the SATA3 connected when it is truly connected to SATA3, so i will not have headache now to repeat and check out everything and redone now, later when i will take out all the important data from it then i will give it a format and try again to check the settings.
   
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For my needs, capacity is important, and I unfortunately cannot afford 4TB or more of SSD space!

I'm not saying to replace all your drives with SSDs (I did mention sticking to mechanical for storage). Just saying that for performance purposes, you're better off keeping programs, pagefile, temp folders and user folders on the SSD (just move specific folders such as Photos, Music and Videos to an HDD). You also don't need to go out of your way to minimize writes. There's plenty of P/E cycles on SSDs for typical users, even on the Samsung 840 with TLC NAND.

Funnily enough, I was thinking 4TB worth of SSDs is a lot when I realized I've already bought that much (around 7TB spread out among a number of systems when I counted). Still have more HDDs, though (~30TB). tongue.gif
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I would recommend using Samsung Magician software to increase the amount of over provisioning, because the closer to full an SSD gets, the slower it becomes.
What is "over provisioning"?
And what about those who don't have Samsung SSD's?
    
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What is "over provisioning"?

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Over-provisioning (sometimes spelled as OP, over provisioning, or overprovisioning) is the difference between the physical capacity of the flash memory and the logical capacity presented through the operating system (OS) as available for the user. During the garbage collection, wear-leveling, and bad block mapping operations on the SSD, the additional space from over-provisioning helps lower the write amplification when the controller writes to the flash memory.

The first level of over-provisioning comes from the computation of the capacity and the use of units for gigabyte (GB) where in fact it should be written as gibibyte (GiB). Both HDD and SSD vendors use the term GB to represent a decimal GB or 1,000,000,000 (10^9)bytes. Flash memory (like most other electronic storage) is assembled in powers of two, so calculating the physical capacity of an SSD would be based on 1,073,741,824 (230) per binary GB. The difference between these two values is 7.37% (=(2^30-10^9)/10^9). Therefore a 128 GB SSD with 0% over-provisioning would provide 128,000,000,000 bytes to the user. This initial 7.37% is typically not counted in the total over-provisioning number.

The second level of over-provisioning comes from the manufacturer. This level of over-provisioning is typically 0%, 7%, or 28% based on the difference between the decimal GB of the physical capacity and the decimal GB of the available space to the user. As an example, a manufacturer might publish a specification for their SSD at 100 GB, 120 GB or 128 GB based on 128 GB of possible capacity. This difference is 28%, 7% and 0% respectively and is the basis for the manufacturer claiming they have 28% of over-provisioning on their drive. This does not count the additional 7.37% of capacity available from the difference between the decimal and binary GB.

The third level of over-provisioning comes from end users to gain endurance and performance at the expense of capacity. Some SSDs provide a utility that permit the end user to select additional over-provisioning. Furthermore, if any SSD is set up with an OS partition smaller than 100% of the available space, that unpartitioned space will be automatically used by the SSD as over-provisioning as well. Over-provisioning does take away from user capacity, but it gives back reduced write amplification, increased endurance, and increased performance.

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And what about those who don't have Samsung SSD's?

Samsung Magician just makes OP easier. The same thing can be accomplished by not formatting the drive to its entire capacity. I OP all my SSDs. That way, I don't have to worry if I'm leaving enough free space on the drive to give the controller breathing room. Lol, my C partition has dipped down to just 300MB free on occasion. tongue.gif
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And what about those who don't have Samsung SSD's?

Samsung Magician just makes OP easier. The same thing can be accomplished by not formatting the drive to its entire capacity. I OP all my SSDs. That way, I don't have to worry if I'm leaving enough free space on the drive to give the controller breathing room. Lol, my C partition has dipped down to just 300MB free on occasion. tongue.gif

Can the same be achieved by creating a 20ish% partition that is never used?
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