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Looking for a palm/claw mouse

post #1 of 8
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Hi all!

First and foremost, the essential information in case you want to read as little as possible:

1. What's your grip style?
Palm for normal work.
Claw for gaming.

2. What's your sensitivity?
low sens for Counter Strike: 400-500.
medium sens for SC2 and everything else: 1100.

3. What's your maximum budget?
around $80

4. Do you want additional buttons?
I want a total of 5 buttons: Left, Right, Middle, M4, and M5

5. What games do you play?
Counter strike, Starcraft 2, and Dota 2.

6. Do you mind about prediction?
I do. I'd prefer no prediction.

7. Other relevant information:
Ergonomic shape, smaller than DeathAdder, DeathAdder's click feel.

I have tried a couple of mice for the past few days, and have not yet found the perfect match for my hands. The mice I've tried are as follows:

Razer DeathAdder 2013:
I love the shape, but it's a bit big for my hands. I also like the clicks which are tactile, yet easy to press. In short, everything about this mouse is awesome except the size.

Logitech g400s:
The shape feels good when I'm in the desktop, but for gaming, claw grip doesn't feel good on it. The clicks are okay (I liked DeathAdder's clicks better). The size, although still a bit big, feels smaller than DeathAdder.

Steelseries Sensei:
The clicks are way too stiff! I can't play Starcraft 2 with it at all! But the shape is also fine. It's something I could get used to, even though I'd prefer the ergonomic shape of DeathAdder. The size is also a bit big (on the order of the DeathAdder).

Cyborg R.A.T. 7:
It's just uncomfortable. I couldn't get it to fit my hands at all. And it's too big. The clicks, while not as bad as the Sensei, are still a bit stiff. Its extra features are awesome, though, but I don't use any of them.

I have also read/watched reviews of the following mice. These mice are not sold by any of the local retailers in my area, so I couldn't try them for myself.

Zowie EC2 eVo:
Its size, according to the reported specification, is smaller than the DeathAdder while retaining its shape, which is what I'm looking for. However, many people have reported that Zowie mice have very stiff clicks. I feel this would have been the perfect mouse had it not been for the switches. But again, I haven't tested it in person, so I cannot decide with certainty.

Zowie AM/FK:
Shape is fine, as they resemble the Sensei, but the clicks, again, are a big problem.

CM Spawn:
The shape is odd. I haven't tried anything like it, but I feel my right hand ring finger will be in a weird spot, making it uncomfortable.

Steelseries Kana/Kinzu:
They are the smaller version of Sensei, but the DPI ranges are not what I'm looking for (800/1600). Also, the build quality seems to be subpar with a sensor that has prediction. Also, no M5.


In conclusion, I'm looking for a mouse that has the shape and click feel of the DeathAdder, but is smaller. I'm afraid I might be missing some lesser-known brand, and I want to take all possibilities into account. If you are introducing new mice or commenting on the mice I have not tested but reviewed, I would appreciate it if you could compare its size, shape, and click feel to the ones I've tested in person (DeathAdder, Sensei, g400s, RAT 7).

Thank you,
fengshaun
post #2 of 8
I'd be happy if people stopped making a big fuss of the Zowie switches, they aren't THAT stiff. G400 feels the same except with lower travel
post #3 of 8
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I'd be happy if people stopped making a big fuss of the Zowie switches, they aren't THAT stiff. G400 feels the same except with lower travel

Yeah, the Huano switches are fine, at least for FPS gaming. Dunno if OP would hate them for SC2 though...
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post #4 of 8
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@Test user: You mean the Zowie has lower travel or the g400/s? If they feel like g400, I'll have no problem with it! g400s clicks are just fine for me! And I have only read that Huano switches of Zowie are stiff. I don't have the foggiest of ideas whether it's actually stiff for me or not.

@Remmib: How are the switches relative to DeathAdder and Sensei? Stiffer than both? Inbetween? Closer to one or the other? Also, Sensei's clicks are fine for FPS, but way too stiff for SC2!
Edited by fengshaun - 6/5/13 at 11:55am
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@Test user: You mean the Zowie has lower travel or the g400/s? If they feel like g400, I'll have no problem with it! g400s clicks are just fine for me! And I have only read that Huano switches of Zowie are stiff. I don't have the foggiest of ideas whether it's actually stiff for me or not.

@Remmib: How are the switches relative to DeathAdder and Sensei? Stiffer than both? Inbetween? Closer to one or the other? Also, Sensei's clicks are fine for FPS, but way too stiff for SC2!

Well, I'm pretty sure my Mamba uses the same switches as the Deathadder, and they are definitely stiffer than those. Never used a Sensei...

Also, I don't play SC2 so I can't say for sure, but my guess would be that they are too stiff for all that crazy clicking.
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post #6 of 8
OK, wouldn't recommend ec for SC2. Sorry it's hard to think from the view of an rts player when you mainly play fps tongue.gif Anyway that still has more to do with the rather big over travel of the ec buttons, it can make fast consequent clicks hard.
post #7 of 8
So g400 uses omron, zowie uses huano, but the switch placement can also have a big effect.I don't know about the s model, bit the stiffness on ec and g400 is pretty close.
post #8 of 8
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g400 clicks feel reasonable for SC2, although you said the travel distance is higher for ec, which is a downside for sure. Worst case scenario, I'll just return it if it's too bad. But I wish they'd used the switches similar to DA (omrons?)!

Any mouse with the same shape and size as the ec2, but from another company that I might be missing?
Edited by fengshaun - 6/5/13 at 1:30pm
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