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That's not AMD's problem, that's the OEMs' for considering the APUs as an after thought, and flooding the market with lots of i5 laptops (with no dedicated GPUs) marketed for everyday usage. They only have an i5 because it looks better on paper.

When the netbooks were first introduced, they sold like hotcakes. Then they got bigger, heavier, and more powerful until they were impossible to tell from the light laptops. Then the tablets and smartphones finished them off.

And if you want to know how bad some of their designs are:

(Red = Higher pressure from heatsink)


That's my Asus N61Jq laptop's pressure paper results. Small wonder why the stock thermal paste and Arctic MX4 paste failed badly.

Shin Etsu seems to work nicely (compared to otherwise superior pastes) in poor contact situations like what you have shown here. It might be worth a shot.
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MY main issue with the Iris Pro is that Intel decided to only slap it on their highest end offering CPUs, so you know that the OEMs are going to look at it and say this is a top notch cpu, lets pair it with the best discrete GPU we can, sell it for a mint and take our cut. In doing so they will totally negate the whole reason to have made a better IGP in the first place.

There may be a very few niche devices that will make use of just the CPU/IGP, but I forsee Iris as being largely ignored when the OEMs build their notebooks ect... Pretty sad really as Intel made huge steps to make a faster IGP than AMD and they just priced themselves out of making it relavent. If only they had made it available for their lower end chips.

I love APUs, I have 3 AMD APUs at home, and think the technology is the future of computing. Getting back to the topic of the thread, the KAVERI looks really awesome. I almost upgraded my llanos to richland, but I'm glad I waited. Kaveri really looks to take APUs to the next level.
 
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The best way to see how better Iris pro (if any at all) is vs 8670D/G (Richland igpu) is to perform benchmarks on Haswell chip on IP and then on a 6670 DDR3 (the closest thing in performance to richland graphics).
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So the guy with the 3930k and the Titan claiming price doesn't matter means that price not mattering is a fact? Well then, why aren't we all using Intel Extreme Editions with 4 Titans?

Out of all of those, only one of those is (arguably) a fact, the other two are opinion.

First step in replying to my posts would probably be to read what my posts say instead of someones gross misrepresentations of them.
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I asked who would buy GT3 for the given price when it does what a cheaper product does, or when you can get a 4670k and a dGPU for the same price? http://blogs.nvidia.com/2013/05/qa-why-gamers-still-need-a-discrete-gpu-with-haswell/

Someone who isn't buying a desktop.
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Even Nvidia isn't buying this at all.

As all companies they're just trying to make their products look better. Never listen to AMD/Intel/Nvidia themselves when it comes to their products or the products of their competitors. All you're going to get is PR.

Especially in situations where the companies hate eachother as much as Intel and Nvidia. (see HPC and mobile markets)
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Do you know why that is? It's because AMD APUs cover the low end (for now), Nvidia covers the high end (with AMD dGPUs), and Haswell GT3 is performs to fill the low end and it's priced like the high end (at least in mobile).
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Iris pro covers higher end APU needs. Situations where you have a limited power envelope and can't go with a discrete GPU but still want better GPU performance than what AMD or lower end Intel parts offer.

This includes devices like macbooks, high end and lightweight laptops and AIOs. Yes, such insignificant and pointless devices. All expensive devices can't be stuffed with GTX780M's.
 
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I never said they shouldn't advertise it I just said that it's utterly useless for the consumer at this point in time.

I do not think this is accurate. You said, "The point was that for the mainstream selling parts based on their HSA capabilities is almost entirely pointless at this point in time." Your comment was with regard to how they're being sold ("selling parts based on" - ie promoted in some fashion, advertised), not with regard to the feature in a vacuum.
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I do not think this is accurate. You said, "The point was that for the mainstream selling parts based on their HSA capabilities is almost entirely pointless at this point in time." Your comment was with regard to how they're being sold ("selling parts based on" - ie promoted in some fashion, advertised), not with regard to the feature in a vacuum.

Well I apologize then, I did not mean AMD should not use HSA as a marketing term. I was only getting at how buying into that is silly at this moment as it offers no tangible advantage to your average consumer or even an enthusiast.
 
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Well I apologize then, I did not mean AMD should not use HSA as a marketing term. I was only getting at how buying into that is silly at this moment as it offers no tangible advantage to your average consumer or even an enthusiast.

Neither does Iris, because you said that Iris is not for the average consumer nor the enthusiest...just for the laptop with the power need of an iGPU...which is not the average consumer, nor the enthusiast
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Neither does Iris, because you said that Iris is not for the average consumer nor the enthusiest...just for the laptop with the power need of an iGPU...which is not the average consumer, nor the enthusiast

This comparison does not make any sense.

Iris actually performs the way it does. And it has its place in multiple types of products that I have already mentioned before.

HSA on the other hand for the consumer is just a buzzword that does not mean he/she is getting more performance.

All in all Iris pro and HSA can't be compared, the comparison does not make any sense. It's like saying Titan should be compared with AMD's TressFX because only a few games can properly use them. You can't compare a technology and a proper product for the end user.
 
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Why doesn;t AMD get rid of pins and just go with LGA?
 
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ok Let's bash AMD for using pins now, shall we? rolleyes.gif
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