Originally Posted by SniperTeamTango
Okay, so, we've already decided that...
TLDR: Intel owners believe IGPUs are useless in desktops.
Either you're deliberately misrepresenting half the arguments in this thread or you need to and read the posts again.
Okay, so, the following markets don't exist:
ShuttlePCs can fit discrete cards, no reason for APU only for gaming
HTPCs can fit discrete cards, no reason for APU only for gaming
Prebuilt "Home Workstations" I have no idea what this is but the words workstation and APU don't fit together
Clusters/Farms What is the use for a powerful IGP in these, heavey GPU work --> discrete, no heavy GPU work ---> no need for powerful APU
Thin Clients Mostly part of the mobile category, uses mobile parts and has been discussed many times here
Low budget gaming PCs APU only low end? extremely niche
Or basically ANY form of desktop that doesn't game or do a ton of heavy work. Doesn't need a powerful GPU, even HD2000 is enough
replies to the categories in bold.
Those are only situations where an APU can be used. Not where it's inherently useful.
We also can glaze from that that certain people believe they themselves are the reason nuclear reactors are required in cities, because power consumption is irrelevant.
TLDNR: Intel has a higher efficiency (that suddenly matters) and as always a "higher performing CPU"
Efficiency is extremely important when it comes to mobile parts which is what APUs mostly are.
As a certified 3d designer, believe you me when I tell you its cute hearing that Intel's CPU is "BETTER", AMD's CPUs are far more stable for the work done in the cad field (this is an opinion backed by personal experience) because things like HyperThreading are nowhere to be found. HT is a deathmachine for anything that needs to be made super-precise. And I'd so easily pick an opteron over a xeon.
Please provide 3rd party proof of these claims.
They also have a higher performing IGPU, but as many have pointed out, it costs as much as an I5 and a decent GPU.
Missing the point entirely. Iris is meant for environments where an i5 and a discrete GPU just aren't an option or are a much worse option. Good luck with a desktop i5 and discrete card in a macbook pro.
(400 bucks was it? Either way, Michelle in my sig rig was built for under 400 and thats an entire rig that throws down better performance than an APU can offer IIRC) so yeah, the part is kinda irrelevant when two parts can do the job better for the same cost. But they don't like hearing that.
Your mini rig also has absolutely nothing to do with the market the Iris pro is targeting.
It's not in the same form factor
Doesn't fit the power envelope
has a weaker CPU
does not consist of parts capable of mobile operation
and so on
Also need I remind that AMD has a single high end chip they are competing against, with a whole fleet of budget chips.
Completely irrelevant to the arguments made here. All that's been argued is that Intel now has the IGP perf crown.
TLDNR: Intel owner now doesn't understand that his opinion on "the best" is also relative.
TLDR: AMD owner bringing subjective values to a performance only argument.
A 460 2win beats the living hell out of a 580 in benchmarks, but there's way more to it than that and I know the same logic can be said here. "Intel has the best..." translates to the highest performing. However its poorly marketed, poorly priced, and gets flogged by other "solutions" at its own price point.
Comparison makes no sense first of all.
And secondly again failing to realize the market for higher performing IGPs. High end laptops with a smaller form factor and higher battery life, AIO desktops, high end ultrabooks and so on. It is meant to combat lower end discrete parts in mobile devices but offering more lucrative power requirements and form factors. Not some self built desktop as you seem to imply.
Poorly priced is subjective as is poorly marketed.
Assuming HSA (?) will go un-utilized is very, very foolish. Its in both consoles, its in enterprise chips, its only MIA from FX chips as far as I know.
I have never assumed this however the key word is the one I bolded.
At the moment HSA offers nothing of value to the consumer.
AMD users always make the price/perf argument because AMD has been price/performance for the last EON.
Out of necessity. They have no problem pricing their products high when they can. See original FX or the 7990.
Even when the 7970 was beating the living daylights out of the 580 (and rightly so) it still never went above 600 dollars here.
This always happens on a new node. Only reason it was so cheap was that everyone knew Nvidia was releasing cards in 2 months of the 7970 hard launch.
We have this GPU out there now that goes at 1100 dollars here and it still doesn't offer the best performance for a dual slot solution, but only a single GPU one.
Is there something wrong with a premium for the best? AMD certainly doesn't seem to think so with the 7990. Except that it doesn't even work.
Every one of the markets I listed an APU with a low cost would dominate in.
Except every higher end market with strict power requirements.
Macbooks, imacs, other AIOs, ultrabooks etc. apparently aren't a market at all since you refuse to acknowledge them.
Lets also remember that OEMs will pickup cheaper equipment first (for those prebuilts that don't exist.)
~All the best.
OEMs will pick up the parts that they feel they can make more profit on.
AMD should start sorting out their OEM relations because there are hardly any high quality AMD based mobile products out there. Its always cheap plastic and they're on display in a corner somewhere.
Originally Posted by SniperTeamTango
I have no kind. Between the rigs I have here, the following hardware is in them or was at one point.Warning: Hardware Diversity (Click to show)
Ati 4770 FLEX
AMD 7950 (3)
Nvidia Quadro 4000 (2)
Nvidia Quadro 6000 (2)
Intel Pentium 620
AMD Opteron 6274 (I think)
Intel P3 Era Xeon
Intel 3930k (still boxed, no board
I was simply pointing out flaws in arguments. That's literally what I do for my job is find flaws and fix them.
Same goes for other people as well.hardware (Click to show)
2x i7 3930K
2x i7 860
8x Celeron 352
Athlon 64 3400+
Phenom II 965BE
Phenom II 555BE
2x HD 5870
2x HD 3870x2