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Alatar... your replies in bold are simply opinions based on how you would build that kind of computer, which tends to be not cost conscious or hopeful for any HSA implementation at any point in the future.

Exactly what I am seeing.

Alatar is not being objective about possible benefits/drawbacks of platforms, he's just throwing together some opinions of his own uses, blaming it on AMD for using features as a marketing point, and then making points that go against their own...
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128MB of eDRAM + lower end parts = Does not compute

The cost of the eDRAM alone is probably worth the same as a full Kaveri chip, tongue.gif
   
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Good luck trying to fit in a 45W Quadcore i7 in a ultrabook, Macbook Air/Macbook Pro 13" rolleyes.gif

Besides a discrete AMD/Nvidia GPU would be a much better option if you're considering a AIO or a Macbook Pro 15" (debatable as Macbook Pros already run REALLY HOT when gaming or doing other intensive things when it comes to Ivy/Sandy and so on) as they can actually handle the heat/power requirements a discrete GPU/CPU combo that'll walk all over Iris.

This my aunts mac book pro 13" retina runs extremly hot just surfing the web or watching some 480p flash video due to its thiness. It just hosts a Core i5, 3210M (35W TDP) so i dont think we'll see any Iris pros in the ultrabook segment for a while.
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Thar article was from 2011... That's old.
You don't OC mobile chips. Intel definitely ported the mobile stuff to desktop and indirectly told people to stuff it.
Kool story, bro. 4770K is a mobile unit, I salute to that.
Intel ported the 4950Q laptop chip to desktop, so when 4950q laptop chip was presented on an atx motherboard, it was still as good as a laptop chip. Nvm...
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The comparisons between AMD APUs and iris are a joke. I used to work at microcenter, and there are really two types of computer buyers, ones that need it for basic use, and those who need it for computing power or gaming. With the huge price tag on iris, there is very little reason for the first group to buy a PC with iris, and as for the second group they will obviously want more power then what iris provides (dedicated cards).

You can argue it every which way, power consumption, performance, whatever. But unless the price is right people wont even consider it. You have to realize this forum is the 1%, everyone here wants a faster computer, and most here have $1000+ rigs, go ask an average person what they care about a couple hundred bucks or an almost unnoticeable performance gain?
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AMD's really headstrong right now. I guess the reformation of AMD has paid off.
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Video - the inquirer with AMD VP John Taylor at Computex talking about Kaveri
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2272762/computex-amd-debuts-fourth-generation-kaveri-apu-chip-video

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We got some time with AMD's corporate VP of communications John Taylor after the press conference, who talked up improvements Kaveri has over the firm's previous generations of chips.
Taylor revealed that we should see Kaveri ship sometime "later this year", and gave us BGA and socketed versions of the new chip to inspect and compare to the size of our coins.

First APU to reach 1 TFLOPS (Tera Floating-Point Operations Per Second).



[Rumored as in nothing official - just in case somebody was wonder ball park figure of Kaveri GPU part]

Kaveri APU to feature HD 7750 level performance


AMD Financial Analyst day 2012


Graphics Core Next (GCN) Architecture
8 Compute Units (512 Stream Processors)
~900 MHz
32 Texture units
16 ROPs

DirectX 11.1, OpenGL 4.3 and OpenCL 1.2


AMD Kaveri - graphics performance on par with Radeon HD 7750
http://www.nordichardware.com/CPU-Chipset/amd-kaveri-graphics-performance-on-par-with-radeon-hd-7750.html


BGA socket would allow GDDR5 to be used.

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Maximum memory bandwidth provided by dual-channel DDR3 memory sub-system at 2133MHz is 34.1GB/s, which should be sufficient for today’s microprocessors, but may be insufficient for powerful graphics adapters. By contrast, an inexpensive 128-bit GDDR5-based memory sub-system with 3400MHz effective clock-speed enables 54.4GB/s of memory bandwidth, or 60% higher compared to DDR3-based sub-system. While this clearly is not enough for a high-end graphics solution, it should be sufficient for modern mainstream graphics adapters that cost around $100 and which truly provide adequate performance in video games.

AMD’s Next-Gen “Kaveri” APUs Will Require New Mainboards [5/30/2013]
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130530232155_AMD_s_Next_Gen_Kaveri_APUs_Will_Require_New_Mainboards.html
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128MB of eDRAM + lower end parts = Does not compute

Seems that the Steamroller cores in Kaveri will mean CPU is still behind Intel (not really a surprise), I say this due to AMD stressing "compute" rather than any CPU only stuff in their Computex talk. The iGP will be about as powerful as can be managed with only having DDR3 to feed it, will be interesting to see how the mobile parts compare to eDRAM laden 5200.

The whole point of HSA is parallel processing gets done with the radeon cores (think rendering) while single-threaded stuff gets done with CPU cores,

Before hUMA you needed the CPU to shuffle data to the GPU.

In 2014 the iteration of AMD's APU is supposed to support discrete GPUs, which will up the ante again


http://techreport.com/review/22452/a-closer-look-at-the-new-amd/4


http://www.anandtech.com/show/5493/amd-outlines-hsa-roadmap-unified-memory-for-cpugpu-in-2013-hsa-gpus-in-2014
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I am eagerly awaiting AMD APUs to become available in Windows 8 tablets.
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The whole point of HSA is parallel processing gets done with the radeon cores (think rendering) while single-threaded stuff gets done with CPU cores,

you mean...cores?

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AMD's apu's are really nice parts.

I really wish they would allow these new Kaveri to crossfire with any budget 7700 or even 7800 card that would be amazing value. DUAL upgrade in one chip. I dont know if there are any old timers like me that remember AFR rendering that Nvidia had but it would be really cool for these rocking APU's to have something like that.

Either way really looking forward to the laptop versions of these Kaveri.
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