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AMD's apu's are really nice parts.

I really wish they would allow these new Kaveri to crossfire with any budget 7700 or even 7800 card that would be amazing value. DUAL upgrade in one chip. I dont know if there are any old timers like me that remember AFR rendering that Nvidia had but it would be really cool for these rocking APU's to have something like that.

Either way really looking forward to the laptop versions of these Kaveri.

It's likely that it will fully support crossfire with 77xx, being the same architecture and similar performance. I doubt that AMD will officially support hybrid crossfire with 78xx cards, but there might be a way to do it anyway.
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It's likely that it will fully support crossfire with 77xx, being the same architecture and similar performance. I doubt that AMD will officially support hybrid crossfire with 78xx cards, but there might be a way to do it anyway.

The new A10-6800k can hybrid with a 7750 according to the drivers. I haven't seen anyone test this yet though
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The new A10-6800k can hybrid with a 7750 according to the drivers. I haven't seen anyone test this yet though

I've heard rumors that people have hybrid crossfired 7750s and 5800ks, but I haven't seen how well it actually works. I can't help but think there may be issues caused by running such drastically different architectures together, performance- or support- wise, but perhaps not.
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Dual gpu at such a low performance level doesn't make much sense to me. Hope some reviewers do a full review including FCAT on Kaveri + 7750, just to see if it actually has merit.
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Dual gpu at such a low performance level doesn't make much sense to me. Hope some reviewers do a full review including FCAT on Kaveri + 7750, just to see if it actually has merit.

Well, the main advantage is that it offers a good upgrade route: you can get an APU at first, then add a cheap card later for (likely) 78xx+ level performance. It also allows you to get more performance out of a low-profile system, where a 78xx+ card wouldn't fit.

I wouldn't mind seeing a review with hybrid crossfire results; professional review sites seem to always forget about that feature, so users have to do it instead.
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The new A10-6800k can hybrid with a 7750 according to the drivers. I haven't seen anyone test this yet though

I've heard rumors that people have hybrid crossfired 7750s and 5800ks, but I haven't seen how well it actually works. I can't help but think there may be issues caused by running such drastically different architectures together, performance- or support- wise, but perhaps not.

VLIW4 and GCN do not play nice, you're right.
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Dual gpu at such a low performance level doesn't make much sense to me. Hope some reviewers do a full review including FCAT on Kaveri + 7750, just to see if it actually has merit.

It works wonders in Laptops.
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AMD has said this year for a release.

Does anyone have any educated guesses as to when this year?
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AMD has said this year for a release.

Does anyone have any educated guesses as to when this year?

October, November or December
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And the same goes for using an APU in said kinds of builds.

The point is that it's not inherently better to use an APU in the systems. However it is inherently better to use a SOC in lower power environments or mobile form factors.

And for high end products where SOCs are needed intel now produces better products.

you are right when saying iris is faster but then again, it is faster NOT because it has an efficient gpu, but rather because it deals with the major bottleneck on igpus which is memory bandwidth
you see if a a10 had the same memory it will surely gain a good 50%+ performance boast, but then again why doesnt amd do that? its because its as pointless as iris hd5200 is to do that, and pretty expensive as well which totally kills the point. just look at the size of that cache memory it has anyway, its like 1/3 the size of haswell, and intel is sure adding a 1/3 or more to the price. now is it worth it? amd couldve easily released a trinity/richland with 600+ cores rather than close to 400(but it didnt need to especialy a year ago), and looking at the a10-4600 vs 10-5800 you notice its a huge difference in tdp but small difference in clock for the gpu, in other words having more cores clocked lower is more efficient but then its also more expensive which kills the point amd is trying to make, hsa is all about efficiency not only in consumption but in price as well, and the whole point of SOCs is NOT only consumption but price as well which intel certainly didnt hit

now acting like we TOTALLY need the best high end integrated graphics totally explains why the 10-4600 flooded the market right?(sarcasm intended)
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