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Let's be clear: AMD and 'power efficient' have not belonged in the same sentence since the introduction of the Core line. They also won't as long as Intel remains market leader in terms of process advancements.

ARM, on the other hand, is a real competitor.
Why?
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Intel has nothing close to what AMD APUs are doing.

Well after HD5200 and the i7 chip accompanying it launched AMD is yet again playing catch up with intel when it comes to performance. And the perf gap isn't small either, HD5200 completely and clearly beats trinity and richland parts.

Of course it's more expensive than AMD's APUs but it's also much better. And AMD can market their chips with the 3 letters "HSA". But I've yet to see a mainstream application where HSA is utilized.
 
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Yeah sure ... really. GT3e is only a tiny bit better than HD7660D but ends up costing hundreds of dollars more for the CPUs you need to buy to have GT3e.
Dream on alatar, Intel is merely playing catchup and still with the current state of drivers, utterly hopeless
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Yeah sure ... really. GT3e is only a tiny bit better than HD7660D but ends up costing hundreds of dollars more for the CPUs you need to buy to have GT3e.
Dream on alatar, Intel is merely playing catchup and still with the current state of drivers, utterly hopeless

Assuming 31.77% faster in games is a tiny bit better. (average from Anand's review that was filled with gaming evolved titles)

And assuming we don't take into account the fact that you're comparing a 55W TPD CPU against a 100W TDP one.

And I always see people complaining about drivers but I've yet to see any proof with the new Iris chips.

So yes, the AMD parts are now slower and less power efficient. They're again left with price/perf as always.
 
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I really have no interest in APUs/AMD CPUs (At the moment with their current performance) but I really hope they can start competing with Intel. I want competition, it's better for my wallet.
Their past/current performance don't reflect their future/upcoming performance, this is referring to their APUs. Not sure about their CPUs though especially Steamroller. Kaveri which is their upcoming APU after Richland will be the fastest APU with Steamroller CPU and a GPU equivalent to HD 7790 as the rumour said. There is no way Intel could beat them.
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I cannot WAIT for Kevari. I'll skip Richland and save that money for an FM2+ motherboard.


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Assuming 31.77% faster in games is a tiny bit better. (average from Anand's review that was filled with gaming evolved titles)

And assuming we don't take into account the fact that you're comparing a 55W TPD CPU against a 100W TDP one.

And I always see people complaining about drivers but I've yet to see any proof with the new Iris chips.

So yes, the AMD parts are now slower and less power efficient. They're again left with price/perf as always.

Too bad Iris pro is only offered on MOBILE Core i7's and the BGA 4770R. So your "55W vs 100W" is a completely ridiculous comparison. Not to mention the price point of Iris Pro and the 8670D are at COMPLETELY different price points. A BGA 4770R + Board is likely going to cost you upwards of $400, meanwhile an A10-6800K + board can cost you as little as $190.

On the desktop side, Richland absolutely stomps on the HD4600 graphics offered on socket based desktop parts. A $140 A10-6800K will destroy the graphics offered on a $160 Core i3 and compete with it in terms of CPU capabilities. Considering Kevari is launching in 2013 and expected to have 512 GCN Stream processors with ...it's going to make Iris pro even less relevant.

The problem with Intel's graphics implementation is they only offer the best integrated solution on platforms that likely have dedicated video cards. For example, all the currently available laptops with mobile Core i7 haswell parts with Iris Pro have GTX 765M's in them. So what's the point??? Meanwhile we're going to see Core i3's and Core i5's with no dedicated cards and lesser integrated graphics capabilities.



Intel releases Haswell for desktop

  • Requires new motherboard (New socket)
  • Haswell processors yield less than a 5% performance increase
  • Graphics capabilities on desktop parts increase 50% at most


AMD releases Richland for desktop

  • Uses same socket design (Allows you to keep your motherboard)
  • Yields 5%-10% graphics and processing performance increase



That's just the way I see it. I was really hoping GT3e would be offered on Core i3 laptops.
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Let's be clear: AMD and 'power efficient' have not belonged in the same sentence since the introduction of the Core line. They also won't as long as Intel remains market leader in terms of process advancements.

ARM, on the other hand, is a real competitor.

Brazos and now Kabini have been pretty performance/power efficient chips in the less than 25W range. As for Kaveri, I think the Computex material is heavily hinting that the Steamroller cores aren't going to match or beat current Intel. "Compute" performance was touted a lot and not much if any reference to improvements from just the CPU cores.
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Assuming 31.77% faster in games is a tiny bit better. (average from Anand's review that was filled with gaming evolved titles)

And assuming we don't take into account the fact that you're comparing a 55W TPD CPU against a 100W TDP one.

And I always see people complaining about drivers but I've yet to see any proof with the new Iris chips.

So yes, the AMD parts are now slower and less power efficient. They're again left with price/perf as always.

Alatar its 100 w because its unlocked. Check the locked part its something like 65 watt. I dont think so iris face tha apus. They want to kill the discrete cards like 650m
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But I've yet to see a mainstream application where HSA is utilized.

That couldn't have something to do with the fact that the initial programmer reference was just released a week ago, the extremely few thus-far-released tools for HSA are still in beta, and -most importantly- fully HSA-enabled hardware hasn't even been released yet, could it?
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Intel went power mad and they've achieved it, but lost sight of market trends and consumer needs, now they're playing catch-up in the low power segment against AMD and ARM.

Let's be clear: AMD and 'power efficient' have not belonged in the same sentence since the introduction of the Core line. They also won't as long as Intel remains market leader in terms of process advancements.

ARM, on the other hand, is a real competitor.

*Looks at Temash*

About that...
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But I've yet to see a mainstream application where HSA is utilized.

That couldn't have something to do with the fact that the initial programmer reference was just released a week ago, the extremely few thus-far-released tools for HSA are still in beta, and -most importantly- fully HSA-enabled hardware hasn't even been released yet, could it?

Naaaaaa, Programmers don't need tools or hardware to write things! Why would they? It's not like they need experience and test boxes to ensure their things even work or anything. Users don't need new hardware to run programs based upon new technologies either, duh. tongue.giflachen.gif

/overly obvious sarcasm
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