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The problem being that consoles are still going to use different APIs than PCs, have different memory infrastructure an so on...

i watched the video and AMD themselves said " games will run better on AMD because of the ps3 and Xbone".

What are you trying to say?
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Why are we even talking about integrated graphics on desktops? The market for that is almost insignificant compared to mobile devices.

What's the point of striving for SOCs and low TDP if it isn't about mobile devices?

For the 99.99% that buy these chips the Iris pro part being BGA will not matter one bit. It wont for me either if I ever end up buying one. I have absolutely zero reason to build an APU based machine myself. If I need a htpc I will put a discrete card in it because I'll want the extra power, not power efficiency.

Now you realize your logic makes no sense. So now it does not matter. Very Nice rolleyes.gif
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Assuming 31.77% faster in games is a tiny bit better. (average from Anand's review that was filled with gaming evolved titles)

And assuming we don't take into account the fact that you're comparing a 55W TPD CPU against a 100W TDP one. (100W = Desktop) (100W vs 55W = TDP)

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Why are we even talking about integrated graphics on desktops? The market for that is almost insignificant compared to mobile devices.

What's the point of striving for SOCs and low TDP if it isn't about mobile devices?


That's the biggest switch up i'd ever seen.
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i watched the video and AMD themselves said " games will run better on AMD because of the ps3 and Xbone".

And the bolded part is why you should completely ignore the statement. Never listen to a company talking about their own products.
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Now you realize your logic makes no sense. So now it does not matter. Very Nice rolleyes.gif

No I don't understand the fuss about APUs on desktops. I have always viewed chips that strive to be SOCs and have low TDP to be mobile oriented. Which is why I didn't even note Iris pro parts being BGA etc, I didn't see how it mattered at all for the huge majority of people.
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That's the biggest switch up i'd ever seen.

the desktop version of the chip was in my comparison to point out how big the performance difference is. Not because it's a desktop CPU.
 
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And the bolded part is why you should completely ignore the statement. Never listen to a company talking about their own products.
No I don't understand the fuss about APUs on desktops. I have always viewed chips that strive to be SOCs and have low TDP to be mobile oriented. Which is why I didn't even note Iris pro parts being BGA etc, I didn't see how it mattered at all for the huge majority of people.
the desktop version of the chip was in my comparison to point out how big the performance difference is. Not because it's a desktop CPU.

The MAJORITY of people on this WEBSITE care.

The MAJORITY of people on this website build DESKTOP computers.

The MAJORITY of people on this website don't want a BGA Core i7 for the desktop

The MAJORITY of people on this website see how much of a niche product Iris Pro really is.

I care, seeing as I game casually, and the A10-5800K fits my needs PERFECTLY.



The fact is, you compared Desktop TDP's, therefor you where talking about desktop chips.


Now can we get back to talking about Kevari, rather than critiquing AMD's performance?
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And since the original argument was about AMD not having the best performance anymore but having to play the price/perf game, what the majority on OCN want is largely irrelevant.

That's all there was to it, but the statement was met with tons of posts that made no sense and pointed out something entirely different.

Look, here's the facts:

Intel has a higher performing IGP
Intel has a higher performing CPU
Intel can do this with higher efficiency

and thus AMD is left to compete with price/performance.

Is there something wrong with that statement?
 
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And since the original argument was about AMD not having the best performance anymore but having to play the price/perf game, what the majority on OCN want is largely irrelevant.

That's all there was to it, but the statement was met with tons of posts that made no sense and pointed out something entirely different.

Look, here's the facts:

Intel has a higher performing IGP (WITH WAY HIGHER PRICE)
Intel has a higher performing CPU (WITH WAY HIGHER PRICE)
Intel can do this with higher efficiency (WITH WAY HIGHER PRICE)

and thus AMD is left to compete with price/performance.

Is there something wrong with that statement?

Fixed...

Price/performance has been the strategy for years now. I do not see what you are clawing at. really.
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Fixed...

Price/performance has been the strategy for years now. I do not see what you are clawing at. really.

You didn't fix it, you just added my entire point there three times.

I did point out that AMD is competing with price/perf. That's all my claim was. That they don't have the highest performing "APU" anymore. Why that's a controversial statement I do not know.

Maybe this will change with kaveri but we'll have to see. What is certain however is that we can't say that intel is lightyears behind AMD in IGPs.
 
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You didn't fix it, you just added my entire point there three times.

I did point out that AMD is competing with price/perf. That's all my claim was. That they don't have the highest performing "APU" anymore. Why that's a controversial statement I do not know.

When they had the highest performing apu it was the same price point..

So what is your point?
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I think the point is that people who would actually buy a CPU for the IGP would find that they need to spend way more money on an Intel chip before they can get the performance that the AMD chip provides at the lesser price. Those who are looking for the IGP aren't looking to spend the amount of money Intel chip require, or they would buy a discrete card. The few instances that the $400 Intel chip would find it's niche is still few anfar between and will be promptly smoked by Kaveri.
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When they had the highest performing apu it was the same price point..

So what is your point?

My point is still the same as it was with my first post in this thread.

I was responding to this statement:

"Intel has nothing close to what AMD APUs are doing."

And my point is that it's wrong. Which at this point is obvious. Especially when HSA does not offer any advantages at this point in time.
 
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