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Richland may be more for them than us. It will renew a bit of attention for AMD APUs, let them raise unit prices a bit, and test out new power management features that are slated for later products in a relatively modest sample group.
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Well what if the HD 5200 found itself on lower end parts, I can't see why Intel can't do this, Intel now does have a stronger IGP compared to amd regardless of price, driver wise not to sure how it compares but it is a faster hardware.

I wonder how kaveri will compare both in terms of gpu and cpu. Temash is a real good product in its segment, runs circles around the current atom, so yeah I guess atleast amd have a good product there tongue.gif.


I don't think amd needed to release the 6800K, I find the product to be quite unneeded I mean the improvements are very marginal at best, they should just focus on kaveri.

While I agree with you, the higher performance and same tdp is good though.
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The quote below is what we are saying.

When someone proves him wrong the quote below is what happens.

You obviously do not understand the concept of "the best".

Intel has the best IGP/CPU combo but it comes at a price.

AMD has good price/perf parts.

Why does everyone making this point get a reply about price/performance? No one is denying the price/perf. That's the entire point.
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So does that mean the GTX Titan is a much better buy than the GTX 780? I mean, the Titan has better performance, and that's all it counts, right?...

Titan is the better card. That does not mean that it has better price/perf. I just can't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

Performance/TDP/efficiency:

i7 4950HQ > A10 5800K

Price/perf:

A10 5800K > i7 4950HQ

Which one is the better buy is completely subjective.

If the above is incorrect then please point out why. I don't understand why I have to explain myself 10 times on an issue this simple. With the launch of Iris Pro AMD does not have the fastest "APU" out there anymore. That is all.

Kaveri will maybe change this but we don't know yet.
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You obviously do not understand the concept of "the best".

Intel has the best IGP/CPU combo but it comes at a price.

AMD has good price/perf parts.

Why does everyone making this point get a reply about price/performance? No one is denying the price/perf. That's the entire point.
Titan is the better card. That does not mean that it has better price/perf. I just can't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

Performance/TDP/efficiency:

i7 4950HQ > A10 5800K

Price/perf:

A10 5800K > i7 4950HQ

Which one is the better buy is completely subjective.

If the above is incorrect then please point out why. I don't understand why I have to explain myself 10 times on an issue this simple. With the launch of Iris Pro AMD does not have the fastest "APU" out there anymore. That is all.

Kaveri will maybe change this but we don't know yet.


Sounds like total epeen to me. No one actually gives a crap about how fast the Ferrari Enzo is when they are buying a Toyota Camery. Reality is Intel's "fastest IGP/CPU" is off everyones radar that would actually buy the chip. So it boils down to who provides the best perfomance in the demographic that actually buys these things. That would be AMD. No one cares that the i7-4950HQ has great graphics...no one is going to use them.,...well maybe a few...but rarely.

And the only one that thinks the "which is a better buy is subjuctive" is you. Everyone has no problem admitting that AMD has a better APU in the price point that will actually sell for the APU....except you that is.
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since AMD has been demoing Kaveri since May 15th
why doesn't it count but a GT3e does.


Please tell me when you see a GT3e in anything besides a Mac Book Pro.




back to Kaveri

if FM2+ supports GDDR5 we should see 54.4 GB/s data bandwidth (vs 34.1 GB/s DDR3-2133 in DC)
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Maximum memory bandwidth provided by dual-channel DDR3 memory sub-system at 1866MHz is 29.8GB/s, which should be sufficient for today’s microprocessors, but may be insufficient for powerful graphics adapters. By contrast, an inexpensive 128-bit GDDR5-based memory sub-system with 3400MHz effective clock-speed enables 54.4GB/s of memory bandwidth, or 82% higher compared to DDR3-based subs-system. While this clearly is not enough for a high-end graphics solution, it should be sufficient for modern mainstream graphics adapters that cost $100 - $130 and which truly provide adequate performance in video game.

AMD has Kaveri in both BGA package and Socket FM2+ (BGA would make sense for GDDR5 solder on motherboard solution).

AMD Kaveri Unveiled: PC Architecture Gets GDDR5
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The whole thing is the apu market isn't targetted at the best performance - it's the price. For gaming, there is no point in buying a I7 w/ mediocre igp for $300+ when you can similar if not better performance for light gaming out of a 6800k for half the cost. The demographics are way off here - there is no point in having the igp crown when it comes at a price point no one buying these cares about, outside of laptops that is.

I built my gf a 5800k, 8gb DDR3 2133, 1tb WD Black, etc. basic build for a hair over 400 bucks w/ OS and case. That type of performance could simply not be achieved by intel in that price range, which is IMO the point of the apu's in the first place.

I mean by all means, Alatar isn't wrong in anyway - but I think what others are simply getting at is simply like buying a land rover as work truck/suv, when a good enough job and more acceptable priced can be had with a jeep cherokee.

Once steamroller hits that'll be my last upgrade for a bit on my pc (outside of swapping out the 7970GE eventually) - after that I think APU's will be at a more then good enough point to justify going to them entirely. Smaller build, less heat, less hassle. Especially if HSA does take off..
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Why are we even talking about integrated graphics on desktops? The market for that is almost insignificant compared to mobile devices.

DOT!
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Sounds like total epeen to me. No one actually gives a crap about how fast the Ferrari Enzo is when they are buying a Toyota Camery. Reality is Intel's "fastest IGP/CPU" is off everyones radar that would actually buy the chip. So it boils down to who provides the best perfomance in the demographic that actually buys these things. That would be AMD. No one cares that the i7-4950HQ has great graphics...no one is going to use them.,...well maybe a few...but rarely.

And the only one that thinks the "which is a better buy is subjuctive" is you. Everyone has no problem admitting that AMD has a better APU in the price point that will actually sell for the APU....except you that is.

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The whole thing is the apu market isn't targetted at the best performance - it's the price. For gaming, there is no point in buying a I7 w/ mediocre igp for $300+ when you can similar if not better performance for light gaming out of a 6800k for half the cost. The demographics are way off here - there is no point in having the igp crown when it comes at a price point no one buying these cares about, outside of laptops that is.

I built my gf a 5800k, 8gb DDR3 2133, 1tb WD Black, etc. basic build for a hair over 400 bucks w/ OS and case. That type of performance could simply not be achieved by intel in that price range, which is IMO the point of the apu's in the first place.

I mean by all means, Alatar isn't wrong in anyway - but I think what others are simply getting at is simply like buying a land rover as work truck/suv, when a good enough job and more acceptable priced can be had with a jeep cherokee.

Power consumption and mobile. You will not get similar performance (both CPU and GPU) with similar power consumption.

And that's pretty much the most important thing for mobile devices. And it's especially important for people who want the best of both worlds, good battery life / good acoustics / good form factor and also good performance.

Desktop APUs are extremely niche. Llano for example did not sell that well due to AMD not targeting laptops well enough. SOCs are for mobile mostly. The budget buyer who can't afford to spend that extra $50 and is looking to buy a gaming desktop is in an extreme minority.
 
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Power consumption and mobile. You will not get similar performance (both CPU and GPU) with similar power consumption.

And that's pretty much the most important thing for mobile devices. And it's especially important for people who want the best of both worlgood battery life ife / good acoustics / good form factor and also good performance.

I agree with what your saying, mostly, but will you still get good batter life with 45/55 watt processors? In the mobile area, the highest AMD goes is 35 watt.
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Desktop APUs are extremely niche. Llano for example did not sell that well due to AMD not targeting laptops well enough. SOCs are for mobile mostly. The budget buyer who can't afford to spend that extra $50 and is looking to buy a gaming desktop is in an extreme minority.

I thought Llano did sell well for them in the mobile sector or was it only Brazos? I know for 3 or4 quarters in a row after launch of Llano and Brazos AMD gained mobile market share. If anything I would say trinity and Brazos 2.0 have performed poorly for them.
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I don't think amd needed to release the 6800K, I find the product to be quite unneeded I mean the improvements are very marginal at best, they should just focus on kaveri.
Yes I agree AMD didn't need to release Richland but you can't say it's a bad thing either. I mean you get better temps, efficiency, frequencies and OC. That is a nice step foreword and I believe Richland will be available for at least 2 years. Trinity is at the end, AMD should withdraw this processors from sale.
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