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That eDRAM really drives up the price though.

Also, that L4 is for both the CPU and GPU!

which makes it win on both counts, there is a price for performance and we are willing to pay
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L4? Man it's time to self-educate again.
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posted June 6th, 2013
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/30848/crucial-and-micron-give-us-the-low-down-on-the-current-state-of-ddr4-memory-with-nice-pictures-of-course/index.html
i've been holding out with ddr2, running 4x2gb = 8gb, but with 1x8gb DDR3 costing only $46 it's getting tough, I would love to turn off virtual memory but would want at least 16gb to do that. Been thinking DDR4 was right around the corner considering DDR3 is from 2007 and DDR2 was only out 3 years before DDR3 came out but with this news I don't think I can wait much longer, but that means new board and ram, $200+ investment...

reason I didn't go with DDR3 initally was because it was much more expensive and DDR3 didn't make a difference vs DDR2, but now that it's cheap and DDR2 is expensive seems like it's better to upgrade to DDR3 now, DDR4 will probably be very expensive when it comes out too

anyone else holding on to old ddr2 or did everyone already leap to ddr3? Any opinions on this matter?

You can't disable the page file in Win 7 or 8 as certain programs need it and will force Windows make one anyway.

The switch from DDR1 to 2 to 3 was negligible at first but as speeds increased and latencies dropped the newer standard overtook the older one and quickly outpaced it but that took at least a year or two so expect the same with DDR 4, 5 and all others that follow. Desktops usually aren't bottlenecked by memory, as proven by AMD and their lower bandwidth than Intel. As long as the system isn't starved, which it rarely is, there's not much difference between having 10GB's throughput and 150GB.
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which makes it win on both counts, there is a price for performance and we are willing to pay

By how much does this eDRAM boost performance? If it drives prices up but doesn't improve performance we will not be paying the price. Another question is whether this is just BGA only, as the HD5200 isn't available in LGA.
Edited by Liranan - 6/5/13 at 10:45pm
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I'm not too excited about DDR4 as it supports only one stick per channel. Considering the main advantage is a bit lower power consumption I expect it to be more interesting for servers than for desktop market. Only way I see it having advantage is if the number of DIMM slots on the boards remains the same and CPU manufacturers beef up their memory controller so that "normal" boards have quad channel and the "enthusiast" platforms octachannel memory.
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I'm not too excited about DDR4 as it supports only one stick per channel. Considering the main advantage is a bit lower power consumption I expect it to be more interesting for servers than for desktop market. Only way I see it having advantage is if the number of DIMM slots on the boards remains the same and CPU manufacturers beef up their memory controller so that "normal" boards have quad channel and the "enthusiast" platforms octachannel memory.
Not quite..... the topography is different to reduce skew. DDR4 controllers can still support multiple channels. Besides, desktop users do not benefit much (if any) beyond dual channel.

http://www.synopsys.com/Company/Publications/DWTB/Pages/dwtb-ddr4-bank-groups-2013Q2.aspx
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I'm not too excited about DDR4 as it supports only one stick per channel. Considering the main advantage is a bit lower power consumption I expect it to be more interesting for servers than for desktop market. Only way I see it having advantage is if the number of DIMM slots on the boards remains the same and CPU manufacturers beef up their memory controller so that "normal" boards have quad channel and the "enthusiast" platforms octachannel memory.

I thought DDR4 could still achieve multiple channels but you have to fill up all of the slots.
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Not quite..... the topography is different to reduce skew. DDR4 controllers can still support multiple channels. Besides, desktop users do not benefit much (if any) beyond dual channel.

http://www.synopsys.com/Company/Publications/DWTB/Pages/dwtb-ddr4-bank-groups-2013Q2.aspx

Hm. Then the Wiki page about DDR4 is wrong.
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Benefits[edit]

Its primary benefits compared to DDR3 include a higher range of clock frequencies and data transfer rates (2133–4266 MT/s compared to DDR3's 800 and higher[5][6][7]) and lower voltage (1.05–1.2 V for DDR4,[6] compared to 1.2–1.65 V for DDR3) with current remaining the same.[8] DDR4 also anticipates a change in topology. It discards the multiple DIMMs per channel approach in favor of a point-to-point topology where each channel in the memory controller is connected to a single DIMM.[6][9] Switched memory banks are also an anticipated option for servers.[6]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4_SDRAM

From the Wiki I understood that desktops will be limited to one DIMM per channel while servers will be able to use multiple DIMM's per channel, but that will need some additional chipset support which might be not part of desktop chipsets.

What I'm "not-excited" about is not the number of channels, but the number of DIMM's per channel (or more precisely the total number of DIMM slots). If you are limited to only one DIMM per channel and you have only 2 channels then it will drop the amount of RAM you can have on board in half. With the memory chips themselves relatively similar I would expect 16 GB DDR3 modukles to be available about the same time as 16 GB DDR4 modules make it to the market - so if you are indeed limited to one DIMM per channel on desktops then that would give DDR3 advantage of having greater top capacity RAM wise.

For your average Joe 2 DIMM's will be enough but I need more than that and even for your average home user there are some activities that can really benefit from greater amount of RAM.
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My guess (And this has been my thought for sometime now) is that DDR4 will come out along with Haswell-E and AMD's Excavator platform. We'll probably see Ivy Bridge-E, Steamroller and potentially Broadwell as being the last DDR3 platforms.

They will both be coming out in late 2014, early 2015 around the same time, so it only makes sense.
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I think the main reason you wont see, as a consumer, the difference is application. Not directly software but related. Hardware is always ahead of software, where the application of the hardware lacks.

Point, it will help only once software can take advantage of those benifits.
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If for one am exited that DDR4 is finally on the horizon. I intend to hold this 1366 at least until I setup up to a platform supporting DDR4.
    
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