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    Sell the 7970 and buy a 780
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    Buy another 7970 for Crossfire
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    Sell the 7970 and buy three 7950s for Tri-Fire
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post #21 of 41
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I'll admit, I've always been a bit of an AMD "fanboy" when it came to graphics cards and have rarely used Nvidia. However, while looking for benchmarks, I found this review from Tom's Hardware which shows both single and multi GPU performance for the top tier graphics cards that are out right now.

First off, it shocks me that, for the most part, the 770, which is supposed to be a 680 on steroids, barely beats it in nearly every game and trades blows with the 7970. I just don't really understand the point in releasing a card that that performs almost identically to its predecessor.

Once things went to SLI vs CF, I was absolutely disturbed to see the results. The SLI cards all held steady and scaled well. The CF 7970s were absolutely horrid. They had giant dips in frames in almost every game and the charts showing their overall frame rates looked awful. Even the 7990 had a lot of issues.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519-12.html

None of these cards could handle max settings at 2560x1440 or 5760x1080 on demanding games, though. Anything like that will require two cards. =(

Tom's = WEI

2 780s should be able to for 5760 X1080 but not all games.
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My budget, total, would be around $700 for the card(s) but that is including the amount I have in my current 7970. I'm a college student so money comes in slowly and I have to save up for things like this. lol

How do 770s compare to 7970s and 780s? There's no way that I could possibly do two 780s but I could possibly manage two 770s, if I buy used.

What about the VRAM, though? I know a lot of things I've read have mentioned that 2GBs isn't enough for triple monitors which is why they used the 7970s/7950s since they are 3GBs and cheaper. The 780 is 3GB but the 770s are 2GB.

Thanks!
For running 3x1080p screens for 3 years, I would seriously advise against getting 2GB cards. Since you are planning to run a multi-GPU setup, the cards just might run out of GPU power before hitting the VRAM limit of 2GB (not now, but who can say what the future holds). The new consoles with 8GB VRAM are about to come out and no one knows how much VRAM will be required to run those ports. You dont want to invest in cards only to find out a year later that they are VRAM limited. That being said, even 3GB would be much safer than 2GB.

If your total budget is $700, I suggest you wait for AMD's fix for crossfire issues that is supposed to be released in June/July. If it really does fix most of the issues, then 7950 TF is a no-brainer, if you are okay with having all that heat and noise produced from your rig that is.

But if there's any possible way for you to wait a couple of months and save up/get the money for two 780s, I'd suggest you to do so. Prices might even come down a bit by then, or there might be more users wanting to sell there 780s which you can scoop up. 780 SLI is immune to almost all the issues I mentioned above, and is a much better choice than 7970 CF/7950 TF.

Or, you could get a 780 now, and get another one when your wallet allows you to.

[Not to criticize or anything, but wouldnt getting a 4670K + a mid-range mobo and investing the rest into GPUs be a better way to go than what you have bought? I hope you dont get offended, but I noticed it so I thought that I'd ask.]
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Please don't worry, it takes far more than that to offend me. haha I work hard for what I have and am proud of it, yet being a student with an after school job certainly isn't going to make you rich, trust me. biggrin.gif

This build has been long and changed many, many times. Just a month or so ago, I had a single 27" 2560x1440 Monitor. However, I multi-task a lot, both while gaming and doing homework, so I decided to sell it and go dual monitors. Then, I found a great deal on my Acer H236HLBid's so I bought 3 instead of 2. redface.gif ( I had to RMA one of them, though, and I have an Asus VG248QE that I snagged open box for $162 that I'm going to try out. If all goes well, I might be swapping to those if the gaming performance outweighs the picture quality of my IPS Panels. Nvidia cards are the only ones that work with the "Lightboost Hack", right?")

Anyways, back on topic, at first I had two reference CFX 7950s, but while doing benchmarks and trying out games, I could quickly see I needed more power so I debated between getting another 7950 or swapping to CFX 7970s. Everything I read recommended 7970 CFX over 7950 Tri-Fire (I'm assuming because of the frame rate issues?) so I sold my 7950s and started shopping for 7970s which is when I found the one I currently have.

I've actually been trying to swap things around to max my performance for my budget, hence the smaller build, but I got my 4770K for $299 from SabrePC a few days ago, whereas the 4670K is around $269 everywhere (I have no microcenter near me) so I figured $30 was worth the upgrade since I do a lot of multi-tasking, streaming, gaming, etc. at the same time.

I'm mainly trying to plan out my possible upgrade path so that I know which motherboard to buy. I wish a single GPU would do as I could use the Prodigy build I have planned in my Sig, but I don't think that will cut it. I could probably go Tri-Fire 7950s for around $600-$650 total used that would decimate everything in that price range, but it might be overkill? It would also not be worth it if the CFX issues aren't fixed. Aside from that, it would be 770 SLI vs 7970 CFX which would depend solely on the prices. I'm quite positive I could get another 7970 for around $300 as I did this one while the 770s are going to be $400+, at least. If I went the 780 now and SLI later path, I'm sure the new AMD cards would probably be out before I saved that much which would make that path not work out too well. lol

Oh man, this is tough.
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post #24 of 41
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Please don't worry, it takes far more than that to offend me. haha I work hard for what I have and am proud of it, yet being a student with an after school job certainly isn't going to make you rich, trust me. biggrin.gif

This build has been long and changed many, many times. Just a month or so ago, I had a single 27" 2560x1440 Monitor. However, I multi-task a lot, both while gaming and doing homework, so I decided to sell it and go dual monitors. Then, I found a great deal on my Acer H236HLBid's so I bought 3 instead of 2. redface.gif ( I had to RMA one of them, though, and I have an Asus VG248QE that I snagged open box for $162 that I'm going to try out. If all goes well, I might be swapping to those if the gaming performance outweighs the picture quality of my IPS Panels. Nvidia cards are the only ones that work with the "Lightboost Hack", right?")

Anyways, back on topic, at first I had two reference CFX 7950s, but while doing benchmarks and trying out games, I could quickly see I needed more power so I debated between getting another 7950 or swapping to CFX 7970s. Everything I read recommended 7970 CFX over 7950 Tri-Fire (I'm assuming because of the frame rate issues?) so I sold my 7950s and started shopping for 7970s which is when I found the one I currently have.

I've actually been trying to swap things around to max my performance for my budget, hence the smaller build, but I got my 4770K for $299 from SabrePC a few days ago, whereas the 4670K is around $269 everywhere (I have no microcenter near me) so I figured $30 was worth the upgrade since I do a lot of multi-tasking, streaming, gaming, etc. at the same time.

I'm mainly trying to plan out my possible upgrade path so that I know which motherboard to buy. I wish a single GPU would do as I could use the Prodigy build I have planned in my Sig, but I don't think that will cut it. I could probably go Tri-Fire 7950s for around $600-$650 total used that would decimate everything in that price range, but it might be overkill? It would also not be worth it if the CFX issues aren't fixed. Aside from that, it would be 770 SLI vs 7970 CFX which would depend solely on the prices. I'm quite positive I could get another 7970 for around $300 as I did this one while the 770s are going to be $400+, at least. If I went the 780 now and SLI later path, I'm sure the new AMD cards would probably be out before I saved that much which would make that path not work out too well. lol

Oh man, this is tough.

so, you've tried crossfire . . . you noticed any microstutter? i did not but i only played bf3, c3 and c2. none on those games on just 1080. if microstutter exists in other games, i am sure it will happen in sli config as well.
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so, you've tried crossfire . . . you noticed any microstutter? i did not but i only played bf3, c3 and c2. none on those games on just 1080. if microstutter exists in other games, i am sure it will happen in sli config as well.

I only had them for a few weeks but no, I didn't notice any while playing. The only time I really did was when I ran benchmarks such as Unigine Heaven and Valley on 5760x1080 to see how it would do and the two side monitors seemed to be noticeably slower than the middle one and certainly had pauses in the video. I don't really count that as enough experience to know what I'm talking about as you guys do, though. I would have to spend more time really testing things in CFX to really make an assessment on it.
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post #26 of 41
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Please don't worry, it takes far more than that to offend me. haha I work hard for what I have and am proud of it, yet being a student with an after school job certainly isn't going to make you rich, trust me. biggrin.gif

This build has been long and changed many, many times. Just a month or so ago, I had a single 27" 2560x1440 Monitor. However, I multi-task a lot, both while gaming and doing homework, so I decided to sell it and go dual monitors. Then, I found a great deal on my Acer H236HLBid's so I bought 3 instead of 2. redface.gif ( I had to RMA one of them, though, and I have an Asus VG248QE that I snagged open box for $162 that I'm going to try out. If all goes well, I might be swapping to those if the gaming performance outweighs the picture quality of my IPS Panels. Nvidia cards are the only ones that work with the "Lightboost Hack", right?")

Anyways, back on topic, at first I had two reference CFX 7950s, but while doing benchmarks and trying out games, I could quickly see I needed more power so I debated between getting another 7950 or swapping to CFX 7970s. Everything I read recommended 7970 CFX over 7950 Tri-Fire (I'm assuming because of the frame rate issues?) so I sold my 7950s and started shopping for 7970s which is when I found the one I currently have.

I've actually been trying to swap things around to max my performance for my budget, hence the smaller build, but I got my 4770K for $299 from SabrePC a few days ago, whereas the 4670K is around $269 everywhere (I have no microcenter near me) so I figured $30 was worth the upgrade since I do a lot of multi-tasking, streaming, gaming, etc. at the same time.

I'm mainly trying to plan out my possible upgrade path so that I know which motherboard to buy. I wish a single GPU would do as I could use the Prodigy build I have planned in my Sig, but I don't think that will cut it. I could probably go Tri-Fire 7950s for around $600-$650 total used that would decimate everything in that price range, but it might be overkill? It would also not be worth it if the CFX issues aren't fixed. Aside from that, it would be 770 SLI vs 7970 CFX which would depend solely on the prices. I'm quite positive I could get another 7970 for around $300 as I did this one while the 770s are going to be $400+, at least. If I went the 780 now and SLI later path, I'm sure the new AMD cards would probably be out before I saved that much which would make that path not work out too well. lol

Oh man, this is tough.
Good move going for the 4770K. thumb.gif
A while ago, you were worried about being able to run games at a satisfactory frame rate, and now you're planning on running them at 120 FPS? tongue.gif
Look at the first chart on this post.
7950 Trifire will give you more performance than Titan SLI. The only thing that keeps me and everyone else from recommending it is the issues that come with crossfire. So if you really want Titan SLI performance at $650, I guess you have to wait till AMD releases its fix for crossfire issues. Small price to pay, wouldnt you say? tongue.gif

Check out this video to see how much the fixed driver for CF issues could actually fix. If the gameplay on the right side seems fine to you, then you're better off waiting for the fix.
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A while ago, you were worried about being able to run games at a satisfactory frame rate, and now you're planning on running them at 120 FPS? tongue.gif

7950 Trifire will give you more performance than Titan SLI. The only thing that keeps me and everyone else from recommending it is the issues that come with crossfire. So if you really want Titan SLI performance at $650, I guess you have to wait till AMD releases its fix for crossfire issues. Small price to pay, wouldnt you say? tongue.gif

Check out this video to see how much the fixed driver for CF issues could actually fix. If the gameplay on the right side seems fine to you, then you're better off waiting for the fix.

Welcome to how my mind works. haha As soon as I figure out one problem, I get tempted into buying something else by finding a good deal and end up with a whole new problem. redface.gif

Well, those are my thoughts exactly. 7950s are Overclocking monsters and can outperform a 7970 Ghz when OC'd well (from what I have read) so two of them should easily outperform any single gpu by a good margin and three should absolutely dominate any game or gpu out there for quite some time.

The prototype driver performance looks incredible. It's so much smoother and cleaner looking than the current version of Catalyst. If that did, indeed, happen to become reality then I wouldn't hesitate for a second to run three 7950s. thumb.gif
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Good move going for the 4770K. thumb.gif
A while ago, you were worried about being able to run games at a satisfactory frame rate, and now you're planning on running them at 120 FPS? tongue.gif
Look at the first chart on this post.
7950 Trifire will give you more performance than Titan SLI. The only thing that keeps me and everyone else from recommending it is the issues that come with crossfire. So if you really want Titan SLI performance at $650, I guess you have to wait till AMD releases its fix for crossfire issues. Small price to pay, wouldnt you say? tongue.gif

Check out this video to see how much the fixed driver for CF issues could actually fix. If the gameplay on the right side seems fine to you, then you're better off waiting for the fix.

we both tried crossfire and did not experience any noticeable microstutter. i was not even using Radeonpro or whatever you call that. You keep on insisting sli will be smoother - maybe but checkout post # 5367 . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1360884/official-top-30-unigine-valley-benchmark-1-0-fill-the-form/5360
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we both tried crossfire and did not experience any noticeable microstutter. i was not even using Radeonpro or whatever you call that. You keep on insisting sli will be smoother - maybe but checkout post # 5367 . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1360884/official-top-30-unigine-valley-benchmark-1-0-fill-the-form/5360

I wouldn't pay TOO much attention to that post. From what I can tell there, he bought the 780 thinking it was just going to blow his SLI setup out of the water and quickly realized it wasn't so.

A lot of the time people will try to justify buyer's remorse by saying things they might have experienced once or twice or claiming that the heat and noise were unbearable. tongue.gif
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I wouldn't pay TOO much attention to that post. From what I can tell there, he bought the 780 thinking it was just going to blow his SLI setup out of the water and quickly realized it wasn't so.

A lot of the time people will try to justify buyer's remorse by saying things they might have experienced once or twice or claiming that the heat and noise were unbearable. tongue.gif

Melee, we've been around ocn for awhile, relatively speaking, and 'cause of that we can filter responses a bit better. here is a thread to follow . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1397369/best-way-to-push-1440p-120hz-maxed-out/20#post_20132491
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