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So what exactly is the NSA collecting? The court order says Verizon has to give up "all call details or 'telephony metadata' created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls". The court defined telephony metadata as:


http://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-is-collecting-phone-records-of-millions-of-amer-511565570


What intrigues me more is why is verizon recording all of this?
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Must refrain from commenting about politics ...

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Thank god we have a trustworthy government! oh wait
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Must refrain from commenting about politics ...

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I think that somebody from Maryland should have every right to speak out about it.

EDIT: deleted everything else....too political
Edited by lacrossewacker - 6/6/13 at 6:03am
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Must refrain from commenting about politics ...

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Don't worry we know your opinions from your gun stances. They don't need to be stated.
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Im pretty sure most companies have to record X data for Y amount of time. I know for time warner they record everything for 3 months before "tossing" it and by tossing I mean selling info to other companies on what we do.

How is anyone surprised by this?

It should be more of:
We need X call data of Y group of people because of Z reason, so give us X data.
not, we need X call data, give us everything.
     
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Im pretty sure most companies have to record X data for Y amount of time. I know for time warner they record everything for 3 months before "tossing" it and by tossing I mean selling info to other companies on what we do.

How is anyone surprised by this?

It should be more of:
We need X call data of Y group of people because of Z reason, so give us X data.
not, we need X call data, give us everything.

I understand recording bandwidth, but if they are actually recording our calls. Thats personal. I mean from phone to phone no biggie as that looks like thats all the NSA got was who called who and not the calls. But if they got the calls. I would most certainly be upset.

In fact if they are recording the calls and texts i will be reading my contract agreement, and if there's nothing about it there will be a lawsuit coming.
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http://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-is-collecting-phone-records-of-millions-of-amer-511565570


What intrigues me more is why is verizon recording all of this?

Data is valuable. More data gives you more options. They have a nice record of call logs for people who dispute minute charges and they can plug that data into all kinds of analysis software to see exactly what people do with thier phones, what phones they have, how long they do it, where they do it from, etc so they can tailor services, pricing, network bandwitdth, and coverage more accurately.

Now remember, this data does NOT include actual conversations. Just data about the conversations. So if you are making regular, long calls to multiple know terroriest locations or other "watched" cell phones, then they might take it a step further and get additional permissions to listen in if the evidence is good enough. I guess thats not good news for people who may have family in these areas. You'll probably be a lot higher on the watch list than most of us.

I also think its funny that the article says "that doesn't make it legal," but both source articles cite the exact law that makes it legal and that it was approved by a judge. Like it or not, it doesn't get much more legal than that. They could make a case for "ethical, or right" but thats a completely different discusion.
    
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Data is valuable. More data gives you more options. They have a nice record of call logs for people who dispute minute charges and they can plug that data into all kinds of analysis software to see exactly what people do with thier phones, what phones they have, how long they do it, where they do it from, etc so they can tailor services, pricing, network bandwitdth, and coverage more accurately.

Now remember, this data does NOT include actual conversations. Just data about the conversations. So if you are making regular, long calls to multiple know terroriest locations or other "watched" cell phones, then they might take it a step further and get additional permissions to listen in if the evidence is good enough. I guess thats not good news for people who may have family in these areas. You'll probably be a lot higher on the watch list than most of us.

I also think its funny that the article says "that doesn't make it legal," but both source articles cite the exact law that makes it legal and that it was approved by a judge. Like it or not, it doesn't get much more legal than that. They could make a case for "ethical, or right" but thats a completely different discusion.

Yeah, i mean, the article isn't well written, but it is however news.
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So what exactly is the NSA collecting? The court order says Verizon has to give up "all call details or 'telephony metadata' created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls". The court defined telephony metadata as:


http://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-is-collecting-phone-records-of-millions-of-amer-511565570


What intrigues me more is why is verizon recording all of this?

really? it intrigues you why verizon has to keep records of
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Telephony metadata includes comprehensive communications routing information including but not limited to session identifying information (e.g., originating and terminating telephone number, International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number, International Mobile station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, etc.) trunk identifier, telephone calling card numbers, and time and duration of call.

really? you dont see why they need this.... ? think again for a second. why would a phone company keep/need this information... it's pretty obvious.
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