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to point out the obvious: first and foremost, verizon needs the metadata to be able to bill customers. without this information how else would they make money.

but yeah, i complete do not agree with the ruling allowing the government access to all the call metadata for every customer.
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Originally Posted by dealio View Post

to point out the obvious: first and foremost, verizon needs the metadata to be able to bill customers. without this information how else would they make money.

but yeah, i complete do not agree with the ruling allowing the government access to all the call metadata for every customer.

Thank you for adding something constructive.
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It's pretty obvious why the NSA would want all of the data. I wouldn't be surprised if they got the same wide sweep of data from all other carriers, too.

To put it bluntly, they can use this data to model wireless telephony traffic. From this sort of modeling, anomalies will become evident to point to numbers they may have more interest in.

It's a way to zero in to call patterns outside what you would expect from ordinary citizen call patterns.

You take this modeling and apply it to real time traffic and calls that could be terrorist or espionage related could be detected in real time, not unlike how modern IDS/IPS systems use algorithms to determine intrusion based traffic.
post #24 of 53
The only recording of people's phone calls that actually does happen, AFAIK, would be to the customer support. Those things are always recorded for performance evaluations, random audits, examples for future employees etc...

the amount of memory they'd need to record everybody's phone conversation would be GIGANTIC. These companies own EMAIL servers take hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment. Voice would take wayyy more.
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The only recording of people's phone calls that actually does happen, AFAIK, would be to the customer support. Those things are always recorded for performance evaluations, random audits, examples for future employees etc...

the amount of memory they'd need to record everybody's phone conversation would be GIGANTIC. These companies own EMAIL servers take hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment. Voice would take wayyy more.

With how much they are charging for their services. I'm sure they have the capital.
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This level of surveillance from the US government is unacceptable and unconstitutional, every US citizen should be upset about this and start contacting their congressional representatives to demand a halt. The US federal court system should not be passing such sweeping requests outside of the public knowledge, and this sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.
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Originally Posted by redfroth View Post

This level of surveillance from the US government is unacceptable and unconstitutional, every US citizen should be upset about this and start contacting their congressional representatives to demand a halt. The US federal court system should not be passing such sweeping requests outside of the public knowledge, and this sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.

they'd just apologize and push it under the rug until the news media "forgets" about it....then just continue doing it again.
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

they'd just apologize and push it under the rug until the news media "forgets" about it....then just continue doing it again.

People need to get mad about this, this is damn near an impeachable offense in my opinion if not already. Don't lay back and accept this as appropriate behavior, it isn't and it shouldn't be tolerated.
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Originally Posted by Xyxox View Post

It's pretty obvious why the NSA would want all of the data. I wouldn't be surprised if they got the same wide sweep of data from all other carriers, too.

To put it bluntly, they can use this data to model wireless telephony traffic. From this sort of modeling, anomalies will become evident to point to numbers they may have more interest in.

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I agree. I'm just wondering what them knowing that information is going to do to the every day citizen. Aside from it being an abrupt disregard to ones privacy it's not really doing much them knowing.. If they were recording calls I could see the issue more so, but even then what are they going to do.
Edited by zapfacid - 6/6/13 at 7:28am
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