Originally Posted by MGX1016
Let's not get political but both sides of the table repubs and dems vote for this type of legislation. And honestly I couldn't care less. It's fairly harmless information and way less important than when they started listening to journalist phone calls.
If this can help catch these terrorists before they strike I'm for it. And yes, I am a strong supporter of "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" This is not a personal liberty I am sacrificing. This is a list of phone numbers, not their contents, not anything at all. If it was the actual calls we would have a whole different argument
I actually find it quite ridiculous how some American citizens fall for the terrorism fear mongering. Patriotism is fine, but don't just blindly follow this "freedom" nonsense.
You live in a country with 316mil people, out of those 316mil people you have only really had (in the past 20 years at least) a TINY amount of terrorism attacks for a country with so many people (and belief systems). Not to mention a country with several nations that are highly hostile towards them and have in the past, threatened warfare.
You live in a country with the highest rate of firearm related deaths in the entire OECD world by a factor of 3x more than the next closest OECD nation (Sweden) and you're more worried about islamic extremists and invest absurd amounts of money AND waive civil liberties/rights just to prevent things like terrorism when there are far greater issues plaguing your nation (such as gun-crime and poverty).
Not to mention that some could argue the US is responsible for some of the greatest acts of terrorism known to man (just look at Somalia, funding the Taliban to fight Russia, this whole Iraq business etc.). If you honestly believe that as a US citizen, having your government spy on you is fine; then you are just advocating a very common belief amongst the international community that the US is one of the LEAST free countries on earth. I, as a citizen of a nation that is not the USA, have been a strong supporter of this belief and your statement really just supports my argument. The simple fact that you are fine with your government spying on you just proves that you, as a US citizen, are nowhere near as "free" as the government and yourself would have people believe.
Now don't get me wrong, no nation is entirely free, its a ridiculous notion. But if my government was watching all my phone records and trying to gain access to all internet traffic going in/out of my house without a justifiable reason
then I would be marching in the street protesting. Not sitting here saying "its not that big of a deal". Its a VERY big deal. In democratic society we don't prosecute without evidence, in fact, how many times have we seen people who we KNOW is guilty of a charge (*cough* OJ *cough*) be let off because of insufficient evidence? We see it all the time!
Likewise, the cops need a warrant to search for evidence in your house and if they just walked in your door one day without one and started going through your stuff you would be mortified. Not only that but its a breach of your civil rights and you would have a strong case to sue for damages. Then why should it be ok for the NSA to do the same? Because they are for "national security"? (More like personal interests). I'm sorry but I just can not see how you could possibly be ok with this as a citizen of the "most free nation on earth" and a country that is for "justice for the people"
I am glad to see that there are others here who are calling out your government for this complete breach of civil liberty and privacy. It is an encouraging thought to know that not everyone follows blindly the moment their government cries "national security" Edited by Vengeance47 - 6/13/13 at 1:00am