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LAWLZ

Even if games are optimized for "AMD hardware" it's piece of crap hardware.

Jaguar is meant to replace the E-xxx series for AMD and compete with Intel's Centrino series.

To put it another way the Cortex A-16 or whatever will probably be faster and that's for smart phones.
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I can. Come play with me in the land of Enterprise and learn how harmful Hyper Threading can be. For one, it plays absolute hell with VMs, and it will actually hurt programs that are optimized correctly.

AMD had quad before Intel with Socket G34.

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Very much this, cad work HT bad, also a lot of 3d dev programs don't like it in my experience. Fake cores are worse then weak cores.


is there an intel platform that you cannot disable HT on?

most systems anymore have bios profiles that let you swap setups by simply rebooting the system and selecting a different one. and anymore you can usually do it inside the OS before restarting.
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LAWLZ

Even if games are optimized for "AMD hardware" it's piece of crap hardware.

Jaguar is meant to replace the E-xxx series for AMD and compete with Intel's Centrino series.

To put it another way the Cortex A-16 or whatever will probably be faster and that's for smart phones.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review/3

Kraken is a single threaded benchmark IIRC. Jaguar is far better than Cortex A15
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LAWLZ

Even if games are optimized for "AMD hardware" it's piece of crap hardware.

Jaguar is meant to replace the E-xxx series for AMD and compete with Intel's Centrino series.

To put it another way the Cortex A-16 or whatever will probably be faster and that's for smart phones.
lol, you actually think Jaguar is down to ARM levels?

Jaguar cored consoles are going to be like any other multicored x86 arch, just lower IPS due to the low(er) clock speeds. It needs less optimizations than the module based cores due to the lack of sharing of a front end. If anything is going to be "AMD optimized" its going to be the GCN portion, and the HSA code.
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is there an intel platform that you cannot disable HT on?

most systems anymore have bios profiles that let you swap setups by simply rebooting the system and selecting a different one. and anymore you can usually do it inside the OS before restarting.

But if you disable HT the 8-core AMD processors will have superior performance.
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is there an intel platform that you cannot disable HT on?

most systems anymore have bios profiles that let you swap setups by simply rebooting the system and selecting a different one. and anymore you can usually do it inside the OS before restarting.

Laptops.

I never really enjoyed trying to do AutoCAD work on an i7 720qm (1.6 GHz). The only way to disable the HT is by digging into the registry and editing some hex decimals to disable only even or odd numbered cores (disabling the first/last four cores will turn the CPU into a dualcore+HT), a sure way of forcing you to reinstall Windows 7 if you blotch the registry editing.
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lol, you actually think Jaguar is down to ARM levels?

Jaguar cored consoles are going to be like any other multicored x86 arch, just lower IPS due to the low(er) clock speeds. It needs less optimizations than the module based cores due to the lack of sharing of a front end. If anything is going to be "AMD optimized" its going to be the GCN portion, and the HSA code.
I was saying don't be surprised if the next ARM chip is faster than AMD's low end which Jaguar is.

Just FYI: clock speed doesn't affect IPS.

AMD chips just have inferior IPS (and CPUs overall) compared to Intel.
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I was saying don't be surprised if the next ARM chip is faster than AMD's low end which Jaguar is.

Just FYI: clock speed doesn't affect IPS.

AMD chips just have inferior IPS (and CPUs overall) compared to Intel.

What? What what what? doh.gif

Clock speed affect IPS.

IPS= IPC + clock speed.
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I was saying don't be surprised if the next ARM chip is faster than AMD's low end which Jaguar is.

Just FYI: clock speed doesn't affect IPS.

AMD chips just have inferior IPS (and CPUs overall) compared to Intel.

What Sugar said.

IPS = Instructions per second.
IPC = Instructions per cycle (1Hz being 1 cycle)

So if clock speeds are higher the instructions per second increases with it, its the IPC that does not increase.
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is there an intel platform that you cannot disable HT on?

most systems anymore have bios profiles that let you swap setups by simply rebooting the system and selecting a different one. and anymore you can usually do it inside the OS before restarting.

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But if you disable HT the 8-core AMD processors will have superior performance.

Plus, I don't spend more money to not use a feature...
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