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will I be able to play games on steam in 30 years? no one knows. if you know what the future holds, please tell me.
 
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They can add all the non-gaming functionality they want to consoles, I don't care. I do care about ridiculous restrictions being imposed on used sales, sharing games and, most importantly, how that DRM impacts legacy support. Not in a million years will I support a closed platform like consoles that puts my long-term access to their library in jeopardy.

I can still buy games to play on my NES 30 years after the fact. Will I be able to say the same for the glorified DRM boxes that are Xbox One and, most likely, PS4? I doubt it.
The same can be said for the PC as well. Many, or nearly all PC games are tied to some online DRM system. If Steam, or Origin/Uplay go bust, how will you activate/download/play your games? There is no guaranty that Steam will exist after 30 (your number) years.
    
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will I be able to play games on steam in 30 years? no one knows. if you know what the future holds, please tell me.

The difference between consoles and Steam is that the latter at least allows users to make backups of their games. Not to mention it's on an open platform. Assuming Valve fails to 'unlock' Steam in the event they can no longer continue offering the service, I don't doubt that a resourceful community will make things right.

It's hardly ideal (which is why I'm not a fan of digital distribution and games being tied to accounts in the first place), but things look much better for Steam than consoles in a worst case scenario.
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ohh how it changed since the main stream populations non gamers got into gaming and the big mega corps want to crow bar you into their info-tainment rail road.

Remember how much fun you had over LAN playing of doom / quake tourney / unreal / Unreal T ? typer.gif

sitting down with your mates in the living room or at a LAN party.. even at work on the office network and playing a local competitive match is still the greatest gaming experience on earth.
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will I be able to play games on steam in 30 years? no one knows. if you know what the future holds, please tell me.

Steam ( or rather every admin / mod in the forums when asked ) has said on their forums that if, and that's a huge if, they go out of business that they will release the games from Steam so that you can continue playing them. I believe there's even a sticky on them somewhere stating that they have and are working on a system to do so since it was such a commonly asked question.
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will I be able to play games on steam in 30 years? no one knows. if you know what the future holds, please tell me.

I'm pretty sure there were a few articles with responses from Valve saying that if they ever went under there are measures in place so you would still be able to access your games.

Steam is far better than any other system out there at the moment. You can actually play games offline, cheap prices (as in lots of sales), you shouldn't have to worry about them going out of business, and I'm sure that with all this steam trading stuff that has been happening and with the push from the EU, you will at sometime in the future be able to trade/sell games from your steam account.

I'm surprised that Valve doesn't already allow you to trade games because you could set whatever price you want and there could be fixed percentages for how much of that goes to the dev and valve. Would seem like a win-win imo.
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I'm pretty sure there were a few articles with responses from Valve saying that if they ever went under there are measures in place so you would still be able to access your games.

Steam is far better than any other system out there at the moment. You can actually play games offline, cheap prices (as in lots of sales), you shouldn't have to worry about them going out of business, and I'm sure that with all this steam trading stuff that has been happening and with the push from the EU, you will at sometime in the future be able to trade/sell games from your steam account.

I'm surprised that Valve doesn't already allow you to trade games because you could set whatever price you want and have fixed percentages for how much of that goes to the dev and valve. Would seem like a win-win imo.
So Steam says that you can keep your games if they go under (link please). I'm not so sure that is technically possible, but OK. One could imagine Microsoft could do the same with Xbox One games sometime in the future, right? Hypothetically, maybe when they release their next console >2020?

Now, I think all the Steam 'lovers' see that it's the same kind of DRM as with the Xbox. But it's better, because they have cheap prices.
Can someone explain this to me, Steam price, amazon.co.uk. It's the new version of Skyrim, released a few days ago, 74!!!!!!! % more expensive on Steam.

Considering amazon has to ship it (cost), the publisher has to manufacture the disc (cost), retailers profit (cost), etc. versus a digital download (NO cost), ... isn't Steam a ripoff???
Their prices are (admittedly) great on sales (older games), once they have milked them dry. After the first 6-12 months, it's easy to sell so cheap - it's how this industry works.
    
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So Steam says that you can keep your games if they go under (link please). I'm not so sure that is technically possible, but OK. One could imagine Microsoft could do the same with Xbox One games sometime in the future, right? Hypothetically, maybe when they release their next console >2020?

Now, I think all the Steam 'lovers' see that it's the same kind of DRM as with the Xbox. But it's better, because they have cheap prices.
Can someone explain this to me, Steam price, amazon.co.uk. It's the new version of Skyrim, released a few days ago, 74!!!!!!! % more expensive on Steam.

Considering amazon has to ship it (cost), the publisher has to manufacture the disc (cost), retailers profit (cost), etc. versus a digital download (NO cost), ... isn't Steam a ripoff???
Their prices are (admittedly) great on sales (older games), once they have milked them dry. After the first 6-12 months, it's easy to sell so cheap - it's how this industry works.

First of all if you read my post in parenthesis it says "(as in lots of sales)" which means the Summer/Winter + many other sales they hold. Obviously not every game at every time is going to be cheaper on steam. doh.gif
There are competitors for a reason.

As for links here are a few from different forums who emailed Valve.
http://www.gamechup.com/if-steam-is-discontinued-measures-are-in-place-for-users-to-access-their-games/
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=446772&mpage=1

Sure they are just forum posts but they are real email responses from Valve and if you don't believe them why don't you just email Valve with the same question and I'm sure they would give you the same answer.

I wish I could find the article with an interview from Valve that was years ago that said something similar but every time I google stuff about the topic everything is from 2010-2013.
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Oh, video games. What's happened to you? This is just so far beyond pathetic.

Had you asked me seven years ago where I thought gaming was headed, it wouldn't be here. How did it all go so horribly wrong?

Plain and simple. Greed...
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ohh how it changed since the main stream populations non gamers got into gaming and the big mega corps want to crow bar you into their info-tainment rail road.

Remember how much fun you had over LAN playing of doom / quake tourney / unreal / Unreal T ? typer.gif

sitting down with your mates in the living room or at a LAN party.. even at work on the office network and playing a local competitive match is still the greatest gaming experience on earth.

Is your place hiring? biggrin.gif I haven't heard any DRM rumors for PS4, but if thats true (we'll find out in a few days at E3), then I'm totally skipping this gen of consoles. The biggest draw for me is the plug & play ability of consoles. DRM totally nullifies that. mad.gif
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