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Sometime down the road I will build a gaming PC, but for now I need information. I plan on having three hard drives: a small 60-128 GB SSD for booting and some start-up programs (Rainmeter, Speedfan, maybe browsers and e-mail), a large 2-3 TB HDD for media storage and backups (I'm thinking a WD Green), and a smaller performance drive (.5-1 TB) for games and programs. I WILL NOT set these up in RAID, so I don't need any benchmarks or information about that. The drives I'm currently looking at are: a 1 TB WD Blue, a 1 TB (or more if the price isn't too much) WD Black, or a 500 GB Raptor. I'm including the Raptor solely for comparison, since the current version costs 50% more than the current blacks for 50% more speed and 50% less capacity.

However, I started thinking about hybrid drives as an option. How do the HDDs compare to a hybrid drive? I'm thinking about something like a Seagate Momentus XT. Remember, booting up is not an issue, and from my understanding, the most used data is stored in the flash component (Please correct me if I'm wrong). But based on this* post, the solid state component doesn't quite beat the Raptor in normal usage. Now, it's nearly three years old, but I don't think too much has changed. I've heard all sorts of wonderful things about hybrid drives (Wow! It's the performance of an SSD for the price and capacity of an HDD!) but they don't seem to hold water. Is the extra price worth it, or should I put it towards a Raptor? And is the Raptor's premium price worth it vs the Black or Blue, or should I invest in a better graphics card?

*In case that post ever disappears and someone wants to read this five years later: 1) hello, and 2) these are the benchmarks:
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AVERAGE WRITE SPEEDS (MB/s)

Seagate Momentus 7200.4 - 82.0

WD 150GB RaptorX - 63.0

Seagate Momentus XT - 81.9

WD 300GB Velociraptor - 100.9

OCZ Vertex II - 221.9

AVERAGE READ SPEEDS (MB/s)

Seagate Momentus 7200.4 - 83.7

WD 150GB RaptorX - 65.0

Seagate Momentus XT - 82.5

WD 300GB Velociraptor - 99.9

OCZ Vertex II - 196.3

BURST READ (MB/s)

Seagate Momentus 7200.4 - 133.4

WD 150GB RaptorX - 139.0

Seagate Momentus XT - 175.9

WD 300GB Velociraptor - 210.0

OCZ Vertex II - 228.0

RANDOM ACCESS READ (ms)

Seagate Momentus 7200.4 - 16.5

WD 150GB RaptorX - 8.1

Seagate Momentus XT -1.9

WD 300GB Velociraptor - 7.2

OCZ Vertex II - 0.1

Edited by CynicalUnicorn - 6/6/13 at 6:47pm
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From what I have seen the Raptor is worth the extra money if you can not afford a large SSD and want the best performance. What you have is bench marks and I know from trying all these drives in my system that it seemed as if the raptor was 2 times as fast loading games and editing pictures.

600GB raptor is 200 Dollars give or take 25 dollars.
Seagate Momentus XT STBD750100 750GB 7200 RPM 2.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Solid State Hybrid Drive -Retail kit is 140.00
OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-480G 2.5" 480GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) 330. 00

Just an example to me the 500GB SSD is worth the extra Money because of the actual speed you see using it. to me a SSD feels 4 to 6 times faster than the WD Raptor. And I have 512 GB SSD and actually they are faster than the smaller ones..

My 2 cents worth!! biggrin.gif
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From what I have seen the Raptor is worth the extra money if you can not afford a large SSD and want the best performance. What you have is bench marks and I know from trying all these drives in my system that it seemed as if the raptor was 2 times as fast loading games and editing pictures.

600GB raptor is 200 Dollars give or take 25 dollars.
Seagate Momentus XT STBD750100 750GB 7200 RPM 2.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Solid State Hybrid Drive -Retail kit is 140.00
OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-480G 2.5" 480GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) 330. 00

Just an example to me the 500GB SSD is worth the extra Money because of the actual speed you see using it. to me a SSD feels 4 to 6 times faster than the WD Raptor. And I have 512 GB SSD and actually they are faster than the smaller ones..

My 2 cents worth!! biggrin.gif

The 600 GB Raptor is a bit out of date though. I believe the WDxx00HHTZ is the newest model with 250/500/1000 GB capacities. If I were to take out the Raptor's price and put it towards an SSD, then I'd spend an extra $100 and have a net loss of about 100-150 GB. I don't want to spend too much more than $800 on this though.
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The 600 GB Raptor is a bit out of date though. I believe the WDxx00HHTZ is the newest model with 250/500/1000 GB capacities. If I were to take out the Raptor's price and put it towards an SSD, then I'd spend an extra $100 and have a net loss of about 100-150 GB. I don't want to spend too much more than $800 on this though.


You know you could go with the 500GB (480 to 512) SSD and not have the separate drive for the OS and a 3 GB drive for about 350 SSD and 150 for WD green and only spend 500 dollars total.. Just an idea and you get the performance you want with the storage you want...

again just my 2 cents worth and it is your money and your build. But i know the extra money for the SSD is worth it.... 500 gb for OS, Games and Other programs is plenty.. I use less than 120 GB for OS and programs, this is with photoshop and video editing software, ms office etc. right now I do not have games on my computer at home because i am in the middle of building a new one...
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I meant $800 overall for the entire PC. That was unclear. I'd go for a 960 GB M500 if I were to drop that much on drives. SSDs are wonderful, I agree, despite my total lack of experience. My Samsung 840 should be here in a couple days for my laptop. Let's see... $100 for a 128 GB SSD plus $150 for a Raptor plus $120 for a 3 TB WD Green. Take out the Raptor and shrink the Green to 2 TB for an extra $170 for an SSD... $270 can get a higher end 256 GB or lower end 512 GB. That isn't a lot for the money, but all of my programs together take up under 30 GB on my current laptop, and that includes 10 games. Well. Alright, the ADD express has left the station. If I can get a good sale, then I'll go with a 500 GB SSD. Otherwise, I really don't have enough in programs to justify spending that much. That and a 2 or 3 TB WD Green should do it. Thanks, I've just rethought my entire drive layout! thumb.gif
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I meant $800 overall for the entire PC. That was unclear. I'd go for a 960 GB M500 if I were to drop that much on drives. SSDs are wonderful, I agree, despite my total lack of experience. My Samsung 840 should be here in a couple days for my laptop. Let's see... $100 for a 128 GB SSD plus $150 for a Raptor plus $120 for a 3 TB WD Green. Take out the Raptor and shrink the Green to 2 TB for an extra $170 for an SSD... $270 can get a higher end 256 GB or lower end 512 GB. That isn't a lot for the money, but all of my programs together take up under 30 GB on my current laptop, and that includes 10 games. Well. Alright, the ADD express has left the station. If I can get a good sale, then I'll go with a 500 GB SSD. Otherwise, I really don't have enough in programs to justify spending that much. That and a 2 or 3 TB WD Green should do it. Thanks, I've just rethought my entire drive layout! thumb.gif

glad I could help if for nothing else to get you thinking!!! biggrin.gif I agree 100% with your new plan... Also I have found a Lot of good deals on eBay for SSD's and never had problem. I just make sure that they are BNIB.
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Western Digital Blue 1TB WD10EZEX is the best bang for the buck drive, and is faster than any of the HDDs you havelisted. The VelociRaptor MAY be SLIGHTLY faster as an OS drive, but it would not be very noticeable, and you would be down 50-75MBs sequential speeds. I have one of mine as my game drive and it's blazing fast. I don't even worry about keeping games on SSD because they don't really load any faster...
   
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Western Digital Blue 1TB WD10EZEX is the best bang for the buck drive, and is faster than any of the HDDs you havelisted. The VelociRaptor MAY be SLIGHTLY faster as an OS drive, but it would not be very noticeable, and you would be down 50-75MBs sequential speeds. I have one of mine as my game drive and it's blazing fast. I don't even worry about keeping games on SSD because they don't really load any faster...

well I can really tell the difference and I can not see how a spindle drive could be as fast as a SSD????
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Western Digital Blue 1TB WD10EZEX is the best bang for the buck drive, and is faster than any of the HDDs you havelisted. The VelociRaptor MAY be SLIGHTLY faster as an OS drive, but it would not be very noticeable, and you would be down 50-75MBs sequential speeds. I have one of mine as my game drive and it's blazing fast. I don't even worry about keeping games on SSD because they don't really load any faster...

How are games stored on a hard drive? I'm not entirely clear on that. If they're scattered randomly across the platters, then an SSD would certainly win. But if they're stored sequentially, then the difference would not be as great, right? 7200 RPMs is good for sure. Would a 2.5" drive be (theoretically) better if the only difference were platter size?
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How are games stored on a hard drive? I'm not entirely clear on that. If they're scattered randomly across the platters, then an SSD would certainly win. But if they're stored sequentially, then the difference would not be as great, right? 7200 RPMs is good for sure. Would a 2.5" drive be (theoretically) better if the only difference were platter size?

There's no way a 7200RPM drive with platters under 500GB will even come close to an SSD (assuming you're not connection limited like SATA2 would) on any read/write function. If you want the fastest drive you can get then you need to get a larger one (generally speaking for SSD and HDD). Even something as low end as Samsung's 840TLC models become much faster the bigger they get. And while it may be age...my 500GB WD Black is slower than my 1TB Hitachi.

As for the games being placed on the drive that involves explaining how the filesystem works...and that's confusing to me so maybe someone else can explain it. But NTFS doesn't seem that great with placing data hence why defraging is often recommended and comes turned on in Windows by default IIRC (THOUGH you never want to use it on an SSD. NEVER).
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Intel Core m3-6Y30 Intel HD515 8GB 1866DDR3L Micron M600 MTFDDAV256MBF M.2, 256 GB 
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Fanless Win10 Home x64 Kubuntu 16.04 (requires Linux kernel 4.5/4.6) 13.3 inch 16:9, 1920x1080 pixel, AU Optronics A... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AthlonIIX4 640 3.62GHz (250x14.5) 2.5GHz NB Asus M4A785TD-M EVO MSI GTX275 (Stock 666) 8GBs of GSkill 1600 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
4GBs of Adata 1333 Kingston HyperX 3k 120GB WD Caviar Black 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
LG 8X BDR (WHL08S20) Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Kubuntu x64 Windows 7 x64 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Bodhi Linux x64 Acer G215H (1920x1080) Seasonic 520 HAF912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
N450 1.8GHz AC and 1.66GHz batt ASUS proprietary for 1001P GMA3150 (can play bluray now!?) 1GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSOS
160GB LGLHDLBDRE32X Bodhi Linux Fedora LXDE 
OSOSMonitorKeyboard
Kubuntu SLAX 1280x600 + Dell 15inch Excellent! 
PowerCase
6 cells=6-12hrs and a charger 1001P MU17 Black 
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