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but this goes a little bit too far no? It's almost as if the US is making up enemies in order to do these things..



Nooo, they wouldn't do that redface.gif
post #42 of 81
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Originally Posted by Biscuits_N_Gravy View Post

I wouldn't be surprised that this was happening. I almost expect the government to have their prying eyes in everything.

this.

Privacy is an illusion these days.

It does beg the question why stuff like the Boston marathon happened.
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This has been known for a long time... its only recently that it's hitting 'mainstream infotainment' news sources..

There are several voices who've spoken out about this, even prior and during the initial phases...

It will continue as well, regardless of any action taken.

FWIW.....
Yep. Mainstream news is pretty garbage.

Also when you hear the "big data" buzzword, this 1984-style stuff is what's really going on
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post #43 of 81
Well of course they were gonna do this, eventually all privacy in the US will be gone. We're all gonna be chipped like chimpanzees in 20 or so years tongue.gif
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and so what? this is mostly surveillance of foreign targets anyway. civil libertarians will cry about stuff like this all day, but where's the real world abuse? i want to hear more than silly conspiracy theories and slippery slope arguments.

it may or may not be justified, i am no political scientist nor do i work for the military, but i just don't see the downside. and hearing random members of the media with no background in intelligence or poli scie cry about stuff like this while showing no real world impacts does not convince me otherwise
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How is this OK? Why do the major news outlets not report on this like the big deal it is? Widespread spying on citizens is 1984 stuff, its scary totalitarian regime stuff, yet no one cares?

It's not t that no one cares, people are either too numb or too dumb to care.

Less than 1% of the population truly understands computer language and even less has any true power to do anything about it.
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It's not t that no one cares, people are either too numb or too dumb to care.

Less than 1% of the population truly understands computer language and even less has any true power to do anything about it.

People are too busy watching game of thrones, the bachelor, and american idol----like good citizens should....
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Wow, I was expecting a way bigger disaster ... you guys are doing reasonably good job on the politics side ... only deleted a few post for that. Now if you can just stay away from insulting one another, we might be able to keep this open for a little bit.

I don't have a big problem with the whole telephone meta-data thing from the other day, that's just stuff like phone numbers and call lengths without the personal info ... when you get right down to it, that's really not 'your property'. These records are actually the property of the phone company.

I find this latest news about the internet servers quite a bit more troubling. However, at this point, I've yet to see an article that actually contains 'sources'. Everything stems from Bart Gellman at WaPo, and that article is woefully short on citations of HOW he 'knows' ... what he's saying he knows.

I do know that many of the companies he's citing are coming out and saying this article is baloney, and I have to think that the smarter move at this point for these companies, if the story of this NSA/Server Backdoor thing is TRUE ... would be for them to keep their mouths shut rather than coming out and LYING to us all. At least if they said nothing, if it turns out to be true, they could all say 'well, we couldn't tell you it was true ... nat'l security and all that'.

So on those grounds, I consider Gellman's WaPo article that started this whole discussion to be pretty suspect because if it were true, it'd be unbelievably dumb for companies like Google to come out and flat DENY that this is happening ... when it really is. The backlash will be WAAAAY worse for them if everyone finds out that they've flat-out lied like that.

As it stands now, the Constitution protects us w/respect to our 'persons, property, effects, and papers', and not much else. The Founders had no concept obviously of electronic conversations. So a real problem here is ... things like our emails and chats are quite easily argued as being not really being 'our property'.

I think that what we really need is an Amendment to the Constitution that places 'cell phone, email, chat, etc' into the same legal category as the US Mail and regular land-line phone communications (which I believe were added to count as 'property' via court decision in the early 20th century).

I.E. without some sort of high-level federal law that protects our e-communications outright, we as citizens don't really have a leg to stand on, legally speaking. We really don't have 'constitutional protections' for our emails and chats and such unless and until they are actually formally recognized as being 'our personal property'.

Lastly ... there were TONS of 'US' (meaning I'm one such person) that were warning everyone that the Patriot Act would likely lead to this kind of stuff, but everyone ELSE was so a'skeert after 9/11 that they wouldn't listen, and I had tons of arguments online w/people back at the time who were defending the USAPA.

So now I'm going to say ... I told YOU so wink.gif
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On top of what brett noted in the first part of his post, please stay on topic. I've cleaned out even more than he did (with some overlapping with follow-up work, sorry about that tongue.gif) and just had to do a bit more. Any attempts to re-reference deleted posts will be removed.
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People are too busy watching game of thrones, the bachelor, and american idol----like good citizens should....

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I wonder what some of the US guys saying this is alright would have said if Google was a Chinese or Russian based company and they would be datamining all your info's.....

Why should the US be allowed to collect all my data i have on any of these services.
    
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