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where's the loss of liberty though? loss of privacy and liberty are not the same thing, if they are not using this information to repress the american people. where's the evidence that this was abused or used to repress people?

oh wait there is none, just a lot of slippery slope arguments from idealists in the press who claim it "isn't necessary." as if they have any background in a field or knowledge of current circumstances that makes them qualified to make that statement

before you knew this was occurring, would you have said your liberty was somehow being repressed by an unknown force? probably not, but it's the "principle"

Tell me your address. I want to go to your house when you're not home and read all your mail to make sure you're not communicating with a terrorist group. Don't worry, it's for the safety of the American people.
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Tell me your address. I want to go to your house when you're not home and read all your mail to make sure you're not communicating with a terrorist group. Don't worry, it's for the safety of the American people.
the law has actually been passed where that can be done. and since he's not doing anything suspicious he has nothing to worry about Lol.
    
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post #73 of 81
i love all the posts "dont do anything wrong and you wont have anything to worry about"
XD
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i love all the posts "dont do anything wrong and you wont have anything to worry about"
XD

that's not what i said, i said point to any evidence of actual abuse. so far all i've gotten in response are tinfoil hats and/or absurd slippery slope arguments.

and yet no one has shown any evidence of actual suppression of minority opinion due to this opinion
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So apparently, this is some tool used in the proccess:

source

It's just an over-view, but basically green = less monitoring, red = tons of monitoring.
Not surprisingly, the middle east is pretty red, and Scandinavia is really, really green.

Now, the reason this is interesting is because Germany is yellow. And Germany is also insanely obsessed with citizen online privacy; to the point where people can legally opt to have their house blurred out in Street View, and so on. It is also the world's 4th biggest economy and hols a massive amount of influence over the EU; which (when combined) makes up the biggest economy in the world.

Basically you've got one powerful nation spying on the citizens of another powerful nation, who focuses heavily on the citizen's privacy... Should be fun.


Also, didn't Obama specifically say "people IN the US weren't being spied on"? This picture shows the exact opposite.
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post #76 of 81
Oh yes, plenty people here think the same way - I've had people tell me when I'm waiting for a bus that 'Hur hur if you haven't got something to hide..."

But the US is the dominant power, the biggest UK spy base is designated as US territory and the US is where the surveillance is most advanced (apart from China and a couple of other places, obviously).

I think you have an entirely fair point.
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I noticed that too, and wonder why UK is a nice light green when there is such tight coordination between US and UK govs.
I wouldn't say that Germany was insanely obsessed, BTW, unless you think trauma has driven their society mad. I'd be inclined to think they have the best insight of anyone as to what it's all about.
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post #78 of 81
I love all the posts "dont do anything wrong and you wont have anything to worry about"

Ask them if they wouldn't mind giving you their credit card number, as they have nothing to hide wink.gif
I would wager privacy suddenly reveals its value when you do that.
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that's not what i said, i said point to any evidence of actual abuse. so far all i've gotten in response are tinfoil hats and/or absurd slippery slope arguments.

and yet no one has shown any evidence of actual suppression of minority opinion due to this opinion

So first they have to abuse it before we can say anything about it?
Isn't that a little ironic? You know...... considering the purpose of all of this.

Also wouldnt it be too late to say or act against it when the abuse of it is already going on?
    
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you could post irrefutable evidence and still the same hard line believers think they are doing this to protect us all

against the boogy man.. i.e the person with a different set of beliefs
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