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I already know not to expect much out of Ivy-E....I expect similar results when Intel transitioned from Sandy to Ivy

As for waiting...well its only 3 months from now....why buy old 2 year old tech, when you can get the newer one at very similar prices? I doubt Intel is gonna jack up the price crazy for the same 4 core 8 thread and 6 core 12 thread chips.

I don't think the prices will be much higher either, but my line of thinking is, "why would I wait 3 months for maybe a 5% increase in performance"?

The age of the tech is of little relevance when the difference in architecture and performance is known to be so minor. If SB-E is too old to do something, so is Ivy-E. Indeed, I view maturity as an advantage in scenarios like this.
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I don't think the prices will be much higher either, but my line of thinking is, "why would I wait 3 months for maybe a 5% increase in performance"?

The age of the tech is of little relevance when the difference in architecture and performance is known to be so minor. If SB-E is too old to do something, so is Ivy-E. Indeed, I view maturity as an advantage in scenarios like this.

I might as well wait for it....its only 3 months out....why bother with older tech really? If I found a smoking deal on a used setup, then sure I'll do it....but I've been browsing and haven't found much

Also the 4820k is suppose to be fully unlocked so that might bring something new to the table versus 3820 which is only partially unlocked. We'll see
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Ivy E performance already leaked at 5-10% or ~7% avg higher than Sandy E (~5% if subtract higher stock cpu speed), from same site (Coolaler) that leaked 3770k ES and 4770k ES (both those ended up pretty accurate from ES to production).
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130424234518_Intel_Core_i7_4960X_Ivy_Bridge_E_Is_Up_to_10_Faster_Than_Current_Generation_Extreme_Offering.html

link showing same site coolaler leaking 4770K ES sample at 5-10% faster than 3770k (which was fair representation)
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-i7-4770K-3770K-Benchmark,22270.html

So if leaked ES benching of Ivy E is representative, then IVY E vs 4770K will be similar to Sandy E vs 3770K, since both similar ipc improvement. ie, single threaded apps will be few % faster on 4770K, and multi-threaded and mixed benches will favor IVY E, just like comparing Sandy E to Ivy.

I am going to wait til after September and see how overclocking goes with Ivy E....then either get Haswell or IVY E, I just want a new toy to play with...just not sure which path I want now....also after September hopefully Haswell mobo will have C2 stepping chipset with USB 3.0 bug fixed...even though only affects some thumb drives and external drives.
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What about heat with Ivy-E? Solder or TIM?
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Toppc on coolaler website did not mention temps or any screenshots of temps, so no proof either way. But TDP of 130W for IVY E is enough to convince me it will be solder.

It is not surprising intel went with paste on ivy/haswell, each release always has some cpus with paste and some with solder, higher TDP variants with solder.

If you overclock IVY to dissipate 130W on intel cooler, you will be throttling. Intel isnt selling high end cpus out of thermal specs, so I would be shocked if IVY E came with paste. They could always come with a different IHS attach than solder that is much better than IVY/haswell, but im betting on solder.
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So the 4770k is a totally worthless change for me? I was thinking it had a lot more features to benefit from coming from SB. Like PCIe 3.0 and more sata 6gb slots as well as other things. I just really like the new motherboards for the haswells so it is hard to resist. Should I just go with a 3770k? My 2600k does not OC well at all. Never get it stable it seems.
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So the 4770k is a totally worthless change for me? I was thinking it had a lot more features to benefit from coming from SB. Like PCIe 3.0 and more sata 6gb slots as well as other things. I just really like the new motherboards for the haswells so it is hard to resist. Should I just go with a 3770k? My 2600k does not OC well at all. Never get it stable it seems.

If you're willing to pony up, you might want to wait for Ivy-E to come out...and see how the temps and overclocks are....We already have an idea with Haswell, and it's not looking good for either temps or OC. I see lots of people complaining about high temps with such a low OC with Haswell.

Have you tried OCing your 2600k? It says stock in your sig
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If you're willing to pony up, you might want to wait for Ivy-E to come out...and see how the temps and overclocks are....We already have an idea with Haswell, and it's not looking good for either temps or OC. I see lots of people complaining about high temps with such a low OC with Haswell.

Have you tried OCing your 2600k? It says stock in your sig

Ya as I mentioned in my last post it has not liked an OC, but maybe I was going about it wrong. I gave up on it a long time ago.I really wanted to have PCIe 3.0 and a better mobo with more features and extra sata 6gb ports.
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I had the itch and couldn't wait 3+ months for Ivy-E. Went from a 2600k to the 4770k. Snagged a new case too. It's all in the mail so we'll see how things turn out with the semi new system. All these next gen games that will start coming out I wanted to make sure and have a tip top i7. In terms of matching up with the ps4 / Xbox one hardware I'm pretty sure at least one of those uses 8 cores so the optimizations for hyper-threaded 4 core i7's should really start coming forth. Either way multithreading optimizations will become a much larger deal now.
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Ya as I mentioned in my last post it has not liked an OC, but maybe I was going about it wrong. I gave up on it a long time ago.I really wanted to have PCIe 3.0 and a better mobo with more features and extra sata 6gb ports.

How high were you OCing? I'm sure you can at least hit 4.3-4.4ghz....typical OCs for 2600k are around 4.5 to 4.8ghz no problem....assuming you have a decent batch and a decent cooler.

Lets say you got 4.5ghz out of your 2600k...well thats pretty close to say a 4.2ghz Haswell minus the great power consumption Haswell has....but hey at least you don't have to buy new tech...and PCI-E 3.0 is still behind as far as I know...heres an article on HOCP detailing 2.0 and 3.0 differences using GTX 680....I know its an older card, but I doubt 780 will make up the difference

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/18/pci_express_20_vs_30_gpu_gaming_performance_review/#.UbeKAfnry1k
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