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The problem here, is that you are using a switch that is typically preferable for gaming, and not for typing. If you want a mechanical keyboard for typing, then you are better off getting the Blue switches. The Reds, Browns, and Blacks do not have necessary tactile feedback to adequately report to your fingers under intense applications - such as high words per minute. I have used several mechanical keyboards and after switching to the rubber domes, I could actually feel the strain on my fingers from the key presses. The Browns, Reds, and Blacks are going to have a giant learning curve when it comes to typing quickly with them while not bottoming out, as they require little force to press and do not offer enough feedback when typing quickly.

If you are looking for an "in-between" feel of both mechanical and rubber-domes, there is a type of switch called a "scissor-switch." You might find that it will offer you the best of both worlds.
Thanks, but right at the moment I'm not that interested in the Blues - judging by the videos, the audible feedback sounds like it could be a potential problem for me, and you can't make it better with o-rings.

I've looked at scissor switch boards, but haven't come up with one that has anything better than 2KRO. That's pretty much essential for gaming when I'm using UHJK instead of WASD
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Lol the UHJK thing just seems bizarre to me tongue.gif

Yeah I don't think you'd be happy with blues, they are just browns with an audible click. I did suggest greens, which are blues with a higher actuation force, sadly they aren't really easy to find.
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^ Talk about the Green switches, can't find them on any local retailer. And ordering overseas would be more expensive than a Topre Realforce here rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, they were originally made as spacebar switches for MX Blue boards, and weren't available individually until last year, so they are making their way into full boards slowly but steadily
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I don't think anyone said they were for everyone. I love mine for gaming but everyday use for typing would take some real getting used to. I can't get away from slamming the keys all the way down so you can normally hear me typing from across the house on it. Might be the switch type, but it really does boil down to preference. Be happy you like a rubber dome better. Saves you some $$$
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It might be a bit hasty to return to rubber domes for good after only having tried a couple of different mechanical switches.

Do note that although MX Browns are a "tactile" switch, the degree of tactility is commonly acknowledged to be about as low as you can get and still fall into that category. There are other forms of tactile, non-clicky switch, including various forms of ALPS-style switch and MX Clear switches, which offer a more pronounced tactile bump. Different switches also offer different levels of force; if you find you are bottoming out too hard on light switches, such as MX Brown and MX Red, you might want to try a heavy switch.

Of course, you might try these switches and still prefer domes-- which is just fine! It's completely possible that regular domes might really be the switch that suits you best. But there are enough different kinds of mechanical switch out there that I don't recommend giving up on finding something better than domes after only trying a couple of switch types. Personally, I didn't actually find something I preferred over domes until my 3rd mechanical keyboard, and even that was using a switch that definitely didn't suit me as well as what I am using now.
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Mechanical keyboards do take some getting used to and they aren't for everyone. Even though I prefer an MX Brown equipped keyboard I would still recommend the MS Sidewinder X4 / X6 to those in the market for a good keyboard for gaming and typing without spending a lot. My X6 still feels great after a few years of heavy use and plenty of abuse. The scissor switches used on my Thinkpad are great as well but it's hard to find that quality in a stand alone keyboard for the desktop.
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Yeah the sidewinders are pretty much the only non-mech boards worth more than $30 IMO
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Topre is ridiculously priced for a keyboard. In fact I suspect they are mismanaged by their mother company in treating them too much of a 'luxury' product. If they weren't forced to be made in Japan or the patent was open, I suspect that they would have saner value for the money.

Try properly oiled MX Browns. Some prefer it even above Topres. They are not loud, they are tactile, and they have low friction.

Typing on an Oiled MX brown now, I doubt I'll give more than 20 euros to improve anything from now on unless it breaks.
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It might be a bit hasty to return to rubber domes for good after only having tried a couple of different mechanical switches.

Do note that although MX Browns are a "tactile" switch, the degree of tactility is commonly acknowledged to be about as low as you can get and still fall into that category. There are other forms of tactile, non-clicky switch, including various forms of ALPS-style switch and MX Clear switches, which offer a more pronounced tactile bump. Different switches also offer different levels of force; if you find you are bottoming out too hard on light switches, such as MX Brown and MX Red, you might want to try a heavy switch.

Of course, you might try these switches and still prefer domes-- which is just fine! It's completely possible that regular domes might really be the switch that suits you best. But there are enough different kinds of mechanical switch out there that I don't recommend giving up on finding something better than domes after only trying a couple of switch types. Personally, I didn't actually find something I preferred over domes until my 3rd mechanical keyboard, and even that was using a switch that definitely didn't suit me as well as what I am using now.
To be honest, I'm not that interested in Alps, can't even get them anywhere locally. MX Clears could be an alternative for Greens if the tactility is noticeable in faster typing as well, but I dunno - my hopes are on Topre now. I think I'll be getting one next, one way or another.

Like I said, a local vendor has nice deal for a variable-weight Realforce, here. Very tempting. But after seeing the new "budget" Topre in the mech club thread, I think I should stick with my current options for a moment so I can hopefully get an all-45g or 55g version.
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Mechanical keyboards do take some getting used to and they aren't for everyone. Even though I prefer an MX Brown equipped keyboard I would still recommend the MS Sidewinder X4 / X6 to those in the market for a good keyboard for gaming and typing without spending a lot. My X6 still feels great after a few years of heavy use and plenty of abuse. The scissor switches used on my Thinkpad are great as well but it's hard to find that quality in a stand alone keyboard for the desktop.
Yeah, my old X4 is my current go-to board. It's showing signs of aging which is the reason I'm looking at new keyboards in the first place.

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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

Try properly oiled MX Browns. Some prefer it even above Topres. They are not loud, they are tactile, and they have low friction.

Typing on an Oiled MX brown now, I doubt I'll give more than 20 euros to improve anything from now on unless it breaks.
Could oiling really change the feedback that drastically?
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