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Guess I won't be getting Skylake and DDR4 in 2015...
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You obviously have zero idea how hard it ts to get 5-10% out of a processor architecture on the same process node.
Well I think that is what has been the point. Intel hasn't made any real advancement in years, just rehash of the same architecture.
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We need AMD to come up with something competitive on the high end market. This is what happens when Intel (or any company for that matter) has little competition.

Whether you are a Intel or AMD guy, everyone should acknowledge that we need both companies to remain competitive or we're just going to see prices soar and technological advances slow down.
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Unless AMD steps up their game there is no reason for Intel to push new CPU's too hard, they would prefer to just get the most bang for their buck with existing tech.
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Well I think that is what has been the point. Intel hasn't made any real advancement in years, just rehash of the same architecture.

That's what kinda happens in the industry. AMD is doing the exact same thing with Bulldozer. They'll stick to that architecture for the next few years.
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That's what kinda happens in the industry. AMD is doing the exact same thing with Bulldozer. They'll stick to that architecture for the next few years.

But there should be much more room for improvement with the bulldozer architecture since it is only a few years old.

Intel's core architecture is what like 7+ years old?
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Unless AMD steps up their game there is no reason for Intel to push new CPU's too hard, they would prefer to just get the most bang for their buck with existing tech.

Are you delusional? This isnt a poker game. Companies dont hold back their products, especially not because of their rivals. All intel cares about is money, and even if AMD tanked it would be very very difficult to split up intel, because they would only be a real monopoly on x86, and the most that would happen would be allowing other companies to license x86 and use it.. Except no company would want to start from scratch vs intel. Plus Im pretty sure intels lawyers have been drafting plans for years in case AMD tanks, so theres no real reason to hold back.

The real story is the core I series is at the end of its life and needs a complete architecture revamp. That would take years of R&D, and improvements to the current arc would be limited (like it is now).
Expect AMD to catch up to intel in performance in the next 2 years and for intel to release a new arc 2015/16
Edited by s-x - 6/7/13 at 10:48am
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AMD, please do something! Haswell on the desktop side of thing really did nothing other than give us a new socket.
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Are you delusional? This isnt a poker game. Companies dont hold back their products, especially not because of their rivals. All intel cares about is money, and even if AMD tanked it would be very very difficult to split up intel, because they would only be a real monopoly on x86, and the most that would happen would be allowing other companies to license x86 and use it.. Except no company would want to start from scratch vs intel. Plus Im pretty sure intels lawyers have been drafting plans for years in case AMD tanks, so theres no real reason to hold back.

The real story is the core I series is at the end of its life and needs a complete architecture revamp. That would take years of R&D, and improvements to the current arc would be limited (like it is now).
Expect AMD to catch up to intel in performance in the next 2 years and for intel to release a new arc 2015/16

They do hold back their products due to cash flow and production issues though.

Bobcat 2, scrapped.

Jaguar, delayed.

Kaveri, delayed.

It would probably be quite entertaining to get all the inside information regarding why AMD has had such a rough time. It's been worse than A64x2->Phenom. I mean why pay GlobalFoundries to not make chips. Why not just churn out 32nm bog standard ARM chips and sell them like popcorn?

Intel is at a dangerous point in it's product cycle but it does have a long history of being able to power through. If I had to wager I'd say they will be testing out architectural evolution with the next OoO Atom.
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Are you delusional? This isnt a poker game. Companies dont hold back their products, especially not because of their rivals. All intel cares about is money, and even if AMD tanked it would be very very difficult to split up intel, because they would only be a real monopoly on x86, and the most that would happen would be allowing other companies to license x86 and use it.. Except no company would want to start from scratch vs intel. Plus Im pretty sure intels lawyers have been drafting plans for years in case AMD tanks, so theres no real reason to hold back.

The real story is the core I series is at the end of its life and needs a complete architecture revamp. That would take years of R&D, and improvements to the current arc would be limited (like it is now).
Expect AMD to catch up to intel in performance in the next 2 years and for intel to release a new arc 2015/16

Are you delusional? Tech companys are the kings of withholding technology. Most tech giants are a generation a head of what they release in the R&D department, Like you said it all comes down to money, and if a company can sandbag or even stifle of the competition, they will.
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