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Originally Posted by aeassa View Post

You obviously have zero idea how hard it ts to get 5-10% out of a processor architecture on the same process node.
You are wrong, plain and simple. Also, have you heard of Intel's Tick-Tock strategy? When Intel moves to a new node, performance usually remains the same (same arch). (Disregarding possible higher clocks/ bigger cache)
    
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post #22 of 43
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Are you delusional? This isnt a poker game. Companies dont hold back their products, especially not because of their rivals. All intel cares about is money, and even if AMD tanked it would be very very difficult to split up intel, because they would only be a real monopoly on x86, and the most that would happen would be allowing other companies to license x86 and use it.. Except no company would want to start from scratch vs intel. Plus Im pretty sure intels lawyers have been drafting plans for years in case AMD tanks, so theres no real reason to hold back.

The real story is the core I series is at the end of its life and needs a complete architecture revamp. That would take years of R&D, and improvements to the current arc would be limited (like it is now).
Expect AMD to catch up to intel in performance in the next 2 years and for intel to release a new arc 2015/16

It makes good business sense to hold back products and slow down when there is no competition. If they can sell Haswell for longer then they intended to than they get a bigger return on there investment. It makes sense. Why should they increase performance right now. They dominate the desktop market and really who doesn't have enough processing power for what they need. I mean do we really need much faster processors from Intel right now, especially for gaming there processors are plenty fast enough.

People complain so much about 5-10% increase but how much more do we really need right now until software catches up. The only real point would be benchmarking scores.
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post #23 of 43
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You obviously have zero idea how hard it ts to get 5-10% out of a processor architecture on the same process node.

Past Sandy you had at least 10% increase. Lynnfield to sandy was about 20% if not more.
Now we see barely 5% performance increase. They focus much more into reducing the TDP and increasing the efficiency than increasing the performance.

Plus, Haswell is a new architecture but we still got the performance increase of a refresh.
Back in the day, intel were predicting much more with their upcoming CPUs and Haswell seemed to be the big change. But we got nothing, just another ivy-bridge.

I will keep my sandy 2600k, best upgrade I've ever done for a mere 100$ for a new CPU (yes).

My next cpu might be in 1,2 or 3 years or with the Haswell-E platform for a 6-8 cores beast. I will likely see the improvement over another 4 cores CPU for my VMs.
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post #24 of 43
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It makes good business sense to hold back products and slow down when there is no competition. If they can sell Haswell for longer then they intended to than they get a bigger return on there investment. It makes sense. Why should they increase performance right now. They dominate the desktop market and really who doesn't have enough processing power for what they need. I mean do we really need much faster processors from Intel right now, especially for gaming there processors are plenty fast enough.

People complain so much about 5-10% increase but how much more do we really need right now until software catches up. The only real point would be benchmarking scores.

I run numerical simulations of wave propagation in nonlinear granular materials. I do need more power. For the Science! My software can chatch up with anything I have access to as I have to write it myself to solve these equations. Unfortunately my budget is finite so I cant solve the performance problem by just throwing more hardware at it, need more bang for buck.
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post #25 of 43
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Sandy was 32nm and Ivy was 22nm. The difference between is less than 10%.

Plus Intel isn't even planning 14nm until like 2015. They are pushing everything back.

If AMD stays on schedule and releases two more sets of chips before then Intel might be caught in a bad place, at least when it comes to gaming performance.

Broadwell is coming in 1H 2014. Just not for enthusiast desktops...but Intel will have Haswell-E for that, anyway.
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post #26 of 43
Well, no surprise here. With Intel coasting (for another year it seems), we can throw our money at other PC components! thumb.gif
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So, basically it's a refresh of a GPU improvement of a node change.

In other words, third refresh in a row.
   
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Look at mobile and you'll see where all the advancements went.

The new Silvermount architecture is replacing a 5 year old one. -> Bay Trail
The iGPU performance increase. Good for OEM's. Can ship smaller laptops with better battery life and with competent graphics quality
ULV CPU's reaching down to 7 watts or so on an intel core....never heard of before.

As far as what the haswel refresh will be? Hopefully lowering the freaking temps on the desktop side so people can properly OC them
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Guess I won't be getting Skylake and DDR4 in 2015...

This.

Oh well, I'll keep my 3770K and 3930K until Skylake. Looks like Intel won't be getting any more money for 4 or 5 years then. Good luck Intel.
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2011-3.......really......

do we know anything yet about this 2011-3 yet? this is the first im hearing about it.
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