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This thread.. stun.gif
Basically, we started out with someone saying X, so another said Y and another responded Z...and now Y and Z is bickering.

OCN in a nutshell.
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A lot of fellow AMD lobbyists including myself have pointed this exact thing.

But we faced pitchforks and torches... rolleyes.gif
Because you're stating the obvious.
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This is about intels IGPs, which AMD's statement is valid right now anyway.
Because you're stating the obvious.
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AMD ARE MAKING A COMEBACK
No.
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Woah, woah, woah, stop the presses guys, Intel iGPUs will struggle on next-gen ports..  How is that news?   They struggle on the current-gen ports.
Yes.
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Lets get real here and put brand allegiance aside.

Anyone who uses iGPU's for dedicated gaming is doing it wrong in the first place. Neither Intel nor AMD give anywhere near acceptable iGPU performance.

I mean this review of the 4770k iGPU performance shows just how crap BOTH manufacturers iGPU's are.

AMD can slam Intel's iGPU all they want but at the end of the day, there's no point bragging when your own APU's suck almost as hard. When AMD give me an APU that can outperform a GT440 (yes, the 6800k loses to the GT440) then I will actually bother listening to their rubbish PR department.

It's like laughing at someone because they got picked last at school to play baseball........and you got picked second last. You're really not much better than the person you are looking down on and probably shouldn't judge others until you improve your own performance!
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Well can you get that ultrabook yet?
NO it will take some time a week or 2 to get them to market so what are you jabbing about it being available or not.

You can't buy the chip in that ultrabook that is bga for ya wink.gif

No offense, but do people in this thread even know what BGA means, or did they just see someone use it as an argument, and decided to copy-paste it?

BGA stands for "ball grid array," and is merely a way to permanently attach a chip to a motherboard. That's it. Big deal.

Almost every single laptop ever in the history of the universe has been BGA. It's not a detriment. In fact, it helps with form factor and heat dissipation.
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Lets get real here and put brand allegiance aside.

Anyone who uses iGPU's for dedicated gaming is doing it wrong in the first place. Neither Intel nor AMD give anywhere near acceptable iGPU performance.

That's subjective. Not everybody needs to max out Crysis 3 at uber-settings.
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Pretty sure my PC can handle titles at 720p30fps thumb.gif
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Almost every single laptop ever in the history of the universe has been BGA. It's not a detriment. In fact, it helps with form factor and heat dissipation.
Go get yourself some real life experience this whole solder to the board is something that didn't happen that much in the past in laptops.
The argument was about who has the APU gpu performance crown now what you gonna do about it.
The fact they are BGA only means you can not get your hands on the product as a part and as said before the slower ddr3 ram would even account for the hd8670 falling behind the Iris pro a single fps.
Go figure the 6800K beats your Iris pro and has drivers that don't glitch out any indie game wink.gif
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Go get yourself some real life experience this whole solder to the board is something that didn't happen that much in the past in laptops.
The argument was about who has the APU gpu performance crown now what you gonna do about it.
The fact they are BGA only means you can not get your hands on the product as a part and as said before the slower ddr3 ram would even account for the hd8670 falling behind the Iris pro a single fps.
Go figure the 6800K beats your Iris pro and has drivers that don't glitch out any indie game wink.gif

Please tell me you're joking. Not only are you comparing a 100W desktop chip to a 47W mobile chip, but you're WRONG. For starters, the 6800k is BARELY better than the 5800k, in CPU or GPU performance. The i7-4950hq outperforms the 6800k in almost every single benchmark (I would say every, but there are bound to be some I haven't seen). For example, cinebench, the 6800k scores 1.14 in single-threaded and 3.58 in multi-threaded (about 5% better than the 5800k). The i7, on the other hand, scores a 1.59 and 7.41. In 3DMark 2011, the 6800k (pulling 100W) scored 1,685 on the performance preset. The 4950hq, on the other hand, scored 2364 @ 47W, and 2505 @55W.

Please, for the love of God, stop saying that AMD has the APU crown. They don't, and they WON'T until they manage to cram the SoC that powers the PS4 (not the same thing as an APU, as has been pointed out to you a dozen times now) into a single APU.
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Please tell me you're joking. Not only are you comparing a 100W desktop chip to a 47W mobile chip, but you're WRONG. For starters, the 6800k is BARELY better than the 5800k, in CPU or GPU performance. The i7-4950hq outperforms the 6800k in almost every single benchmark (I would say every, but there are bound to be some I haven't seen). For example, cinebench, the 6800k scores 1.14 in single-threaded and 3.58 in multi-threaded (about 5% better than the 5800k). The i7, on the other hand, scores a 1.59 and 7.41. In 3DMark 2011, the 6800k (pulling 100W) scored 1,685 on the performance preset. The 4950hq, on the other hand, scored 2364 @ 47W, and 2505 @55W.

Please, for the love of God, stop saying that AMD has the APU crown. They don't, and they WON'T until they manage to cram the SoC that powers the PS4 (not the same thing as an APU, as has been pointed out to you a dozen times now) into a single APU.

55W is still too high for any benefit to portable market. A10 from AMD has more usage then Intels part. Once you can grab a LGA version of 4950 then we can say Intel has the best APU. Also what is the price?
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Please tell me you're joking. Not only are you comparing a 100W desktop chip to a 47W mobile chip, but you're WRONG. For starters, the 6800k is BARELY better than the 5800k, in CPU or GPU performance. The i7-4950hq outperforms the 6800k in almost every single benchmark (I would say every, but there are bound to be some I haven't seen). For example, cinebench, the 6800k scores 1.14 in single-threaded and 3.58 in multi-threaded (about 5% better than the 5800k). The i7, on the other hand, scores a 1.59 and 7.41. In 3DMark 2011, the 6800k (pulling 100W) scored 1,685 on the performance preset. The 4950hq, on the other hand, scored 2364 @ 47W, and 2505 @55W.

Please, for the love of God, stop saying that AMD has the APU crown. They don't, and they WON'T until they manage to cram the SoC that powers the PS4 (not the same thing as an APU, as has been pointed out to you a dozen times now) into a single APU.

To back him up, here are the Crysis 3 benchmarks, amongst others. Extrapolate from both source data points.


Anandtech Intel Iris Pro Benchmarks: Source

Anandtech AMD Richland A10-6800K: Source

On average the difference is around 15-20% faster than the A10-6800K. Also, the A10-6800K was tested with DDR3-2133 RAM which is considerably more expensive than the usual DDR3-1600/1866.


Both are crap. But hate to break it, Intel's Iris Pro is a considerably more powerful iGPU solution than the A10-6800k. That will probably change with Kaveri, but that hasn't been released yet at all.
Edited by Kinaesthetic - 6/7/13 at 5:43pm
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